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Post by bertrus2 on Apr 3, 2009 15:23:20 GMT
No one tells me what to believe. Any rubbish as long as you made it up yourself. |
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Post by avieder on Apr 4, 2009 19:48:52 GMT
Spot on. When I say "none believer" I am saying I do not associate myself with mainstream Christianity which require me to "believe". No one tells me what to believe.
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All right then. You believe but not necessarily religious. (No matter which religion for this point).
You live in a society. There are laws and principals that guide this society.
What is your opinion on the base of those laws, the Meta-laws if you like?
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Post by peakman on Apr 6, 2009 9:49:51 GMT
Noahide law, www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/7lawcomm.html And then the ten Commandments, brought to your people by Moses (Or should that be Tutmosis?) Which are a summery of "The negative confession" that all wishing to follow Osiris and reside in the Elysian Fields after death, must be able to recent without blushing. All of the above, being what I would term "Natural law" is, as the Untied States, a secular nation, concludes, a sound basis upon which to create civilised laws. |
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Post by avieder on Apr 9, 2009 20:57:37 GMT
Thank you for that link, peakman. Some parts in it were new to me (regarding the Christian - Jewish relationship) I cannot comment on the other laws of extinct peoples that you mentioned but I must comment on your acceptance of the 7/10 commands: Even in that article in the link there is already an explanation that the writer adds to the meaning of the laws. Obviously he feels that the titles by themselves are not enough. In much the same way the laws cannot be understood in a stand alone manner, or without explanations and detailing. Like What is considered as murder that is forbidden: abortion? accidental killing? war? and of those, What are the boundaries of each of them like: What stage of pregnancy is the fetus? What is considered accidental? What is "war"? You can compare that dilemma to a mundane law of, say, traffic laws or Speed limit in particular: Why is it there in the first place? Why and what are the sanctions to those that transgress? Of course you can answer these questions but they are not obvious to an alien. In a similar way you can say the forbidding murder is against the "natural" or Darwinists principal of "survival of the fittest" and this prevents the 'improvement' of the human race. In short, peakman, accepting just the principal of the the Law in not enough. |
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Post by pinxminx on Apr 10, 2009 10:21:08 GMT
Being ignorant to others values and beliefs imo is wrong.
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Post by peakman on Apr 10, 2009 10:25:08 GMT
Ethical guidelines? Is this what they are? As we advance our knowledge, so do we face more and more questions regarding to the ethics of what we are doing and where we are going. Can we turn to God for the answers? Of course we can't. However many can turn to their priest or rabbi and some of these can be excellent guides but even the most excellent of guides, in the final analysis, seem to leave the ultimate decision to you? What does this tell you? To use Christian terminology, I can say, "We are of one body", the "body" in question being the "Body of mankind", as in for example, "Corporate body", something which all are part of. I would say , "The body of mankind" consists of many (Christian terminology says "Mansions" or possibly "Rooms") for we are all of this "Body". (Atheists included) This "Body" eventually will have to discard the concept of "God" as an all seeing deity and wake up to the fact that there is no "God", "God" is an excuse, something to lean upon, while there is a "God" we can continue to seek his, or his representatives, guidance. Someday however we have to grow up and as we do, so will the "Body of mankind" throw off that which it clung to as a child, it/we will understand. Ethical dilemma's will however still have to be faced but if we have been brought up correctly, we should be able to cope.  |
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Post by avieder on Apr 10, 2009 11:58:36 GMT
"...This "Body" eventually will have to discard the concept of "God" as an all seeing deity and wake up to the fact that there is no "God"...."
That is the most religious sentencestatement I can think of... (really!)
In my words I would say that in "the end of times" all the souls will return to their maker and be one with G-d.
At that point we shall all know G-d and "His name shall be one"
Until that time comes, our best choice is to live in the way each of us was commanded (7/10). Every religion has its place and duty to bring its people toward that goal.
I do not think that the true religious leaders leave the final decision of the right way to the private person. They draw the path, set the "roadsigns", lay the guidelines - all very absolute. Yet, It is each person's ability to 'tell right from wrong' and chose if to walk in that path or not.
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Post by peakman on Apr 10, 2009 13:20:26 GMT
Has a none religious Christian and a religious Jew come together at the same conclusion? ;D
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Post by pinxminx on Apr 10, 2009 22:06:35 GMT
Dunno, but there must be a gag in there - somewhere? lol
Boom boom.
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Post by peakman on Apr 11, 2009 8:23:39 GMT
;D
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Post by avieder on Apr 11, 2009 19:54:33 GMT
Has a none religious Christian and a religious Jew come together at the same conclusion? ;D Certainly. The truth is a good point of junction. Even without the titles |
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Post by avieder on May 9, 2009 19:43:38 GMT
Has a none religious Christian and a religious Jew come together at the same conclusion? ;D I said above: "In my words I would say that in "the end of times" all the souls will return to their maker and be one with G-d. At that point we shall all know G-d and "His name shall be one" " If we take the fact that G-d is eternal, then "the end of times" is actually "all the time" or perpetual. So we can assume that we are one with G-d even now. So, what I think will happen in the "end of times" is just our understanding of this unity will be known and shared by all. Even experienced. |
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