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Post by flatandy on Jun 3, 2015 6:27:27 GMT
deer here are hunted every year, by people with high powered scopes and rifles, they are hardly endangered, the legal hunters do more to help the endangered wild animals then the anti hunters, they cull the herd, provide funds to buy land and research, provide jobs to the locals, meat for the locals, take away the hunters and the money they bring in and these animals become vermin to be done away with And if the hunters in southern Africa only hunted animals that were like deer - with massive populations and a rapid gestation period (animals like springbok and impala) - there wouldn't be much of a problem. But they're hunting elephants, animals with very long lives, long gestation periods, massive animals who take a long time to mature. Or lions or rhino, which are genuinely endangered. They are not safely culling herds, in most cases. In some rare cases, leopard hunts (leopards are much less endangered) do raise substantial sums of cash for preservation. Although the inevitable question remains: why would you want to spend $50,000 killing a leopard or giraffe? |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 3, 2015 6:55:54 GMT
Well, today up in Pilanesburg - a billion year old crater - I saw a very healthy number of giraffe (which I've never noticed a shortage of). But more surprisingly. There were tons of rhino. We must have seen at least 10! Which is astonishing. You almost never see more than one on any game drive anywhere. It was awesome. Even saw a couple of baby rhino. You're lucky. You can tell your grandchildren you actually saw those animals in the wild before they became extinct. I still think you're pessimistic here. Until 5 years ago, there had been a spectacular recovery in rhino populations in southern Africa (particularly South Africa). It's a mess in north and central Africa, and always was. But they are capable of putting in controls that allow for a recovery. I remain hopeful that the current phase of poaching is only temporary. |
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Post by jimboky on Jun 3, 2015 12:28:30 GMT
deer here are hunted every year, by people with high powered scopes and rifles, they are hardly endangered, the legal hunters do more to help the endangered wild animals then the anti hunters, they cull the herd, provide funds to buy land and research, provide jobs to the locals, meat for the locals, take away the hunters and the money they bring in and these animals become vermin to be done away with And if the hunters in southern Africa only hunted animals that were like deer - with massive populations and a rapid gestation period (animals like springbok and impala) - there wouldn't be much of a problem. But they're hunting elephants, animals with very long lives, long gestation periods, massive animals who take a long time to mature. Or lions or rhino, which are genuinely endangered. They are not safely culling herds, in most cases. In some rare cases, leopard hunts (leopards are much less endangered) do raise substantial sums of cash for preservation. Although the inevitable question remains: why would you want to spend $50,000 killing a leopard or giraffe? These hunters rely on the local government to manage the herds, they have permits issued by the government to hunt these animals and spend massive amounts with the local people, if there is a problem it is with the government not the hunters. I haven't hunted in years, I don't know why someone would spend such on a hunting trip, it is there money, |
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Post by voice on Jul 28, 2015 23:30:24 GMT
A dentist from Minnesota apparently, likes to shoot endangered species for a laugh.
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Post by voice on Jul 29, 2015 2:10:04 GMT
Some should shoot the cunt with a bow and arrow then chase him around for 9 hours.  |
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Post by rick49 on Aug 11, 2015 23:32:04 GMT
"Baby rhino tries to adopt a Jeep after poachers kill mother""In the world's saddest rendition of 'Are You My Mother?', a baby rhino in Africa was found rubbing against a Jeep after poachers killed his mother." tinyurl.com/q5yqgqd"Orphaned baby rhino thinks this jeep is his new mum – all the tears""Donnie tried to rub his body on the side of the vehicle in the hope his affection would be reciprocated." "Despite his attempt at imprinting – when an orphaned animal tries to find a replacement guardian – obviously, it was unsuccessful." "But put those tissues away because Donnie did get a happy ending." "His was found at the roadside and taken to Kruger National Park in South Africa." "Although the trip was a little more complicated than first imagined. " ‘My father and the veterinarian managed to tranquilize the poor little thing and fly him to his new home… but not without any hiccups along the way. The pilot had to make an emergency landing after this little guy flat-lined.’ " " ‘After 3 minutes of resuscitation and trying everything to save him… everyone involved was amazed (some with tear filled eyes) when he gasped for air and his little heart started up again." tinyurl.com/qd92oat
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 12, 2015 12:11:51 GMT
And if the hunters in southern Africa only hunted animals that were like deer - with massive populations and a rapid gestation period (animals like springbok and impala) - there wouldn't be much of a problem. But they're hunting elephants, animals with very long lives, long gestation periods, massive animals who take a long time to mature. Or lions or rhino, which are genuinely endangered. They are not safely culling herds, in most cases. In some rare cases, leopard hunts (leopards are much less endangered) do raise substantial sums of cash for preservation. Although the inevitable question remains: why would you want to spend $50,000 killing a leopard or giraffe? These hunters rely on the local government to manage the herds, they have permits issued by the government to hunt these animals and spend massive amounts with the local people, if there is a problem it is with the government not the hunters. I haven't hunted in years, I don't know why someone would spend such on a hunting trip, it is there money, That is a f**k**g cop out and you know it. Unless you're argument is the hunters are all incredibly ignorant retards? |
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Post by jimboky on Aug 12, 2015 13:34:10 GMT
It is the responsibility of the government to manage the herd of wildlife, not the guest hunter, his job is to pay the fees and enjoy the hunt
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 12, 2015 13:38:29 GMT
It is the responsibility of the government to manage the herd of wildlife, not the guest hunter, his job is to pay the fees and enjoy the hunt The hunters know the context in which they are hunting. They are not forced to fly there and hunt endangered species. They choose to. Hence, it's a cop out. |
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Post by jimboky on Aug 12, 2015 13:45:52 GMT
the government invited him to come over, pay the fee, and enjoy the hunt,
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Post by flatandy on Aug 12, 2015 14:20:12 GMT
Did they really invite him over to hunt a protected lion in a national park?
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Post by jimboky on Aug 12, 2015 14:20:49 GMT
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Post by jimboky on Aug 12, 2015 14:23:59 GMT
Did they really invite him over to hunt a protected lion in a national park? the guide might should have known |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 12, 2015 14:24:55 GMT
the government invited him to come over, pay the fee, and enjoy the hunt, No the government did not. And in the case of Cecil he didn't pay a fee. He paid a bribe to knowingly break the law. |
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