Quackery, whats the harm?

[voice]

This is fecking sick, these charlatans and health fraudsters are sick sick puppies, though how any parent that lets this kind of child abuse happen to their child and pays for the pleasure is a cnut beyond description.

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/06/video-of-chiropractor-cracking-babys-spine-extremely-distressing

[nobody]

Why is it on YouTube is my first question?

[Repat Van]

A girl I work with is obsessed with going to the chiropractor. It always sounded weird to me.

[voice]

its more than weird, its fecking dangerous. One of the screening questions they have to ask in the ER (A&E) these days for suspected strokes is 'have you seen a chiropractor' as so many brain strokes result from their quakery. I treated a young woman a few years back who was in her mid 20's had a neck ache went to one of these quaks and had a brain stem stroke as a result, poor girl was basically a cabbage.

They are also at the forfront of the anti-vax movement.

Though its not all bad in the fight against such health fraud.

www.ctvnews.ca/w5/undercover-video-provides-rare-glimpse-into-possible-auto-insurance-fraud-1.2812297

[Repat Van]

I am sure she would not listen to me pointing out it's dangerous. She reckons her neck feels much better afterwards.

I will stick to massages.

[voice]

you do right.

[flatandy]

Whenever the Missus or I complain about sore backs, our friends keep trying to persuade us to see their chiropractors. Southern California, eh? I'm surprised this half of the state is almost completely cabbage given how much woo bullshit people buy into.

[jimboky]

I know people who go to chiropractors for usually back issues, they say they feel better when they leave then when they went, isn't that the point? They all went after going to medical doctors and not getting helped, or worse being put on medicines with side effects,

it's a mistake to consider all chiropractors to be quacks,

[clarity]

It's not a mistake Jim, for the most part they are quacks. I have a friend who suffered with back problems and went to a chiropractor for years, and spent a fortune on him, until eventually it got so bad he went to a real doctor. He was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis which no chiropractor can cure. The chiropractor was not medically trained and failed to realise he was doing more harm than good.

[jimboky]

Most people I know go to MD first, then if they are not helped they go to chiropractor, My sisters chiropractor sent her to MD to rule out medical problems, they are not the answer to all your ills, but many times they can help


they are MD's that are quacks as well

[jimboky]

Medical errors may be third leading cause of death in the U.S.

www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/health/medical-error-a-leading-cause-of-death/index.html

[yord]

"I treated a young woman a few years back who was in her mid 20's had a neck ache went to one of these quaks and had a brain stem stroke as a result, poor girl was basically a cabbage."

If you refrained from yapping on to these young neck aching women, Im certain there'd be fewer cabbages available. Poor girl.

[voice]

a lot of chiropractor quacks do the old bait and switch, many use actual physiotherapy techniques, things we know works on soft tissue, and call it chiropractic practice, they then get you coming back for as long as possible. The only real measurable thing chiropractors do when doing actual chiropractic stuff is the draining of your money into their accounts.

[jimboky]

So you have a back problem,,,, you go to a surgeon and he/she will tell you you need an operation,,,, go to a medical dr and he/she will tell you you need to take a pill,,,,,, go to a chiropractor and he/she will want to do whatever chiropractors do,,,,

all will drain your money,,,,, I have never knowned anyone who went to a chiropractor that didn't first go to medical dr, I don't believe that insurance covers them,

[voice]

yeah, though the difference will be the surgeon and the Dr will have evidential basis for what they propose where as the chiropractor relies on magical thinking and to be honest if you are into magical thinking you deserve to be fleeced.

Oh and I think you often find those who seek treatment from quacks certainly won't have seen a real doctor first or if they do don't like what they've been told (like eat a better diet, do some exercise, stop sitting slumped in front of the TV and so on) so want a quick fix.

[voice]

you'll notice the list of current clinical trails regarding back pain and back injuries has no magical thinkers testing their cures, wonder why that might be Jim?

clinicaltrials.gov/search/open/condition=%22Back+Injuries%22

[jimboky]

It wasn't a Chiropractor that gave Prince the drugs, perhaps had he gone to a chiropractor he might be alive today

[voice]

how a patient takes their drugs is out of the control of the doctor, but then you know that right?

[jimboky]

people in pain will often over dose on pain pills, you know this right? the dr should also know this, many may be better going to a chiropractor then getting on pain pills,

[voice]

look, I can see you are a true believer in quackery and magical thinking, if it makes you happy, go right ahead as you clearly have so little understanding of actual medicine.

I never said there are not bad Dr's, there are, especially in a profit driven model such as you are forced to have where there are incentives to bill for as much as possible and gouge the system with inflated costs and little to stop rampant profiteering. That being said if its done correctly no one who follows their Dr's advice on their pain meds should kill themselves, the problem is fentynal is a great high by all accounts and if you are susceptible to such things its a very easy drug to misuse, but in and of itself its not dangerous when used correctly, where as chiropractor quackery is inherently dangerous when done as its proposed