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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Jul 18, 2016 21:52:59 GMT
Would take too long to name every expert on everything. So I won't bother. Some then |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 18, 2016 21:56:03 GMT
There's no need to identify individuals when it's clearly all the experts.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 18, 2016 22:11:24 GMT
Yet you're saying that the Left aren't helping the Left Behind because they're not pandering to the racism of the Left Behind. You're making no sense here. You seem to be arguing that pandering to racism is a way of helping, and the Left aren't pandering. Why do you keep going on about racism. This is what I mean about the Left not caring about the Left behind. They just prefer to dismiss them as racists and ignore them. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 18, 2016 22:12:02 GMT
Incidentally, Hermann Hauser tweeted the following on June 24th and 25th: "Brexit: Britain's worst own goal in history." and "An innumerate clown has wrecked a country." His opinion matters because...? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 18, 2016 22:14:24 GMT
You know, I thought the remainers would get over their shock that most people have different opinions to them but I actually think they might have suffered some sort of permanent mental breakdown. Remainers are mainly made up of the Liberal Elite. They HATE people having different opinions to them, they don't understand it hence the behaviour. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 18, 2016 22:15:58 GMT
they didn't have that choice themselves since Dumb Dave took away voting rights for ex-pats. I'm an ex-pat, I voted. Are your family members just too thick to work out how it works? Or do you mean they left over 15 years ago in which case of course they shouldn't be voting. |
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Post by voice on Jul 18, 2016 22:32:06 GMT
they were out of the UK for more than 15 years, I thought that was implicit in my posts, but then again knowing you are reading these threads I should have spelled it out very clearly and simply for you to grasp.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 18, 2016 22:52:56 GMT
Yet you're saying that the Left aren't helping the Left Behind because they're not pandering to the racism of the Left Behind. You're making no sense here. You seem to be arguing that pandering to racism is a way of helping, and the Left aren't pandering. Why do you keep going on about racism. This is what I mean about the Left not caring about the Left behind. They just prefer to dismiss them as racists and ignore them. You're the one who started on racism. You said that the Left not "helping" poor people was "dismissing them as racists". So I assumed you were talking about the left not doing racist things to "help". Would you care to clarify how you define "help the left behind" here? Do you really mean "address concerns" about immigrants and "address concerns" about muslims? Or did you mean something different, like improving schools and hospitals and trying to create access to work for the disenfranchised? Because the latter stuff has been done by the left for a while and never done by the right. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 18, 2016 22:54:57 GMT
Remainers are mainly made up of the Liberal Elite. They HATE people having different opinions to them, they don't understand it hence the behaviour. The liberal elite make up 48% of Britain's public? We're not as f**k*d as I thought. But it's a very big "elite". This is almost in Michael Gove "every school above average" territory. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Jul 18, 2016 23:32:23 GMT
Just two out of five people aged 65 and over backed staying in. In contrast, 75% of voters aged 18 to 24 voted Remain. The vote was also regional, with Scotland, Northern Ireland and London in favour of Remain. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-voted-brexit-how-eu-8277077Those who want to go back to the past when there were jobs in British coal mines, steel works and the British car industry and foreigners were an inconspicuous minority in most parts of the country, decided the result. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 18, 2016 23:41:58 GMT
Look, Bertie, I really don't know if that's helpful. At what age do you want to restrict the franchise? Over 50s? Over 30s? Are we getting into Logan's Run territory here?
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Post by flatandy on Jul 18, 2016 23:44:33 GMT
Those who want to go back to the past when there were jobs in British coal mines, steel works and the British car industry and foreigners were an inconspicuous minority in most parts of the country, decided the result. Also, the people who decided the result generally live in parts of the country where foreigners still are an inconspicuous minority. But if we're going to have national elections and national decisions and all that, then, you know, the whole country gets to choose. Not just the people we want to let vote. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 18, 2016 23:47:01 GMT
Because if she sweeps it aside it will look very very bad. Almost political suicide for any MP. Plus as the Tories kept insisting it would be binding, it was a manifesto pledge, would be odd for them to go back on that now. Not only would it look bad, if May were to go cap in hand, begging to be let back in, because it was all a silly mistake, thee UK would be really fcuked in the eyes of the rest of the EU. One of the members here suggested we should do just that, "let us back in under and terms, even worse than before if necessary" What utter spineless bollocks. Technically we're not out yet so she's not begging to be let back in. It's likes spouse saying they are thinking about a divorce. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 0:02:53 GMT
they were out of the UK for more than 15 years, I thought that was implicit in my posts, but then again knowing you are reading these threads I should have spelled it out very clearly and simply for you to grasp. You just said they were ex-pats and so couldn't vote. You should learn to write properly. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 0:04:05 GMT
It's not spineless, it's sensible. It would be the best thing for Britain, and for the EU, for us to remain. And the second best thing would be for us to rejoin as soon as we possibly could if we do exit. But it's not going to happen. I am increasingly convinced that all this "non-binding" stuff and all the desperate pleas calling for another referendum on exit conditions are wishful thinking. It's also what I wish. But it's not gonna happen. Britain's leaving the EU, and by the looks of it, most likely leaving the single market. It's disastrous, particularly with Boris and Davis guiding us there, but it will almost certainly happen. I'd put the odds now at about 90% or so for us actually leaving, and 60% or so for us leaving the Single Market. Nah it's spineless. What if those terms included joining the Euro and Schengen? You'd say - "ok!" |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 0:05:42 GMT
The sensible thing would be for people to stop whining and get on with it. As a said to lala awhile back, it's almost like the remoaners want the UK to fail just so they can say, "see, told you" I actually know Remainers who have said they can never accept Brexit even if the UK ends up in a better place socially and economically. And they do seem to be happy at every bit of bad news story which is really quite alarming. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 0:12:22 GMT
And a note to Andy. Generally people of the U.K. Accept immigrants if they are decent folk. Well, let's hope someone reminds Tessa May that she doesn't need to kick out every foreigner earning under 35k p/a. They should just allow immigrants in areas of severe shortages. For low skilled workers on a term pirate worker scheme. There should of course be some form of minimum salary requirements that employers need to pay to stop them using immigrants as a means of avoiding decent wages to locals. Basically just copy Australia. It does better than the UK by pretty much all measures of liveability so it's not a bad idea... |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 0:18:17 GMT
Remainers are mainly made up of the Liberal Elite. They HATE people having different opinions to them, they don't understand it hence the behaviour. The liberal elite make up 48% of Britain's public? We're not as f**k*d as I thought. But it's a very big "elite". This is almost in Michael Gove "every school above average" territory. No not all of the 48% are acting like you though are they? The ones who genuinely are contemptuous of people with different opinions (I.e you) are the liberal elite I am referring to. The Guardianista classes. Ming is part of the 48% but he is acting like a little whiney pregnant dog at the fact people have different opinions to him. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 0:20:47 GMT
Just two out of five people aged 65 and over backed staying in. In contrast, 75% of voters aged 18 to 24 voted Remain. The vote was also regional, with Scotland, Northern Ireland and London in favour of Remain. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-voted-brexit-how-eu-8277077Those who want to go back to the past when there were jobs in British coal mines, steel works and the British car industry and foreigners were an inconspicuous minority in most parts of the country, decided the result. Confused. I voted out but have no particular desire for the UK to go back to the 1950s. Odd that. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Jul 19, 2016 0:26:12 GMT
A simple yes/no referendum is not a sane way to decide a very complex question that many people know nothing much about and what they do know is absurdly wrong (thanks to the populist press).
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