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Post by Repat Van on Jul 20, 2016 13:41:08 GMT
They thought Cammers would do it. Cammers didn't think he would have to do it. The PM as a Remainer doesn't want to trigger it until she is sure of the game plan. Not all that weird. (Lead Brexiters bailing is but in fairness it was just Johnson and Leadsom. Gove didn't get the votes and Farage is not part of government.) Plus it needs to pass in parliament. Sure of the fecking game plan!!! Feck sake it was a binary decision tree, they only needed 2 plans one for one against. It's appalling the electorate wasn't told of them. Why would a Remainer work on their exit strategy before Brexit happened? |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 20, 2016 14:03:21 GMT
& those shouting democracy has spoken can piss off too. We are a parliamentary democracy, 70% of parliament and all parties except the racist one was for Bremain. It's farcicle to elect decision makers and then make the decisions.
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 20, 2016 14:08:31 GMT
Sure of the fecking game plan!!! Feck sake it was a binary decision tree, they only needed 2 plans one for one against. It's appalling the electorate wasn't told of them. Why would a Remainer work on their exit strategy before Brexit happened? Because that's what real governments do. |
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Post by nobody on Jul 20, 2016 14:52:09 GMT
Racists, bigots and xenophobes won the day, Even if you accept not all Brexiters were racists, bigots and xenophobes (I see them in the majority) I doubt anyone would deny the percentage is considerably more than the margin the referendum was lost by. No denying racists, bigots and xenophobes have and even deserve a vote but we don't have to readily accept living under those terms. When a GE is lost the opposition doesn't go home for 5 years they stay and oppose. Between a horrendous project fear run by the Bremain Tories, outright lies and misrepresentation from Brexit Tories (who then all scurried away "wasn't me, wasn't me"), racist Ukippers and their disgusting posters we have been very poorly served by this referendum so anyone who tells me to get over it is just a c*nt. I don't have to, I still have the prospect of an independent Scotland within the EU so nah ne nah ne nah nah. You're a bit of a bigot and a tad xenophobic too, I thought I'd mention that, since it seems you missed it. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 20, 2016 15:16:30 GMT
Thanks c*nt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 15:42:45 GMT
Ignore the troll, OH.
"Why would a Remainer work on their exit strategy before Brexit happened?" van.
It's extraordinarily peculiar that Cameron's gummint hadn't allowed for this outcome and prepared an exit strategy. In fact it's highly f**k**g bizarre. As I said, something stinks. And it can't be that they never dreamt there'd be an out vote because everyone knew it was running around 50/50 a long time before the referendum. Which shouldn't have made a difference anyway - there should have been a strategy in place for exit.
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 20, 2016 15:50:49 GMT
It's not even a decision tree it's a binary decision as in you plan what to do with lights on and you plan what to do with the lights off.
No worries on the troll front they're like mostly harmless.
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Post by nobody on Jul 20, 2016 16:58:23 GMT
You're welcome. ootlg, Grow the fcuk up. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 20, 2016 17:06:13 GMT
OH is of course right. If the bigots and xenophobes weren't allowed to vote, Remain would have won convincingly.
But I think the implication of OH's statement, that we should remove the franchise from racists and xenophobes, might be a little "thin end of the wedge"ish. Once you stop the racists from voting because they're arseholes, what other groups of arseholes might you choose to exlude? Tories? Chelsea fans? Bankers? The poor? Scots? The ill educated? Privately educated? You could make a solid case for taking them all out of the electorate, of course...
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Jul 20, 2016 17:11:39 GMT
OH is of course right. If the bigots and xenophobes weren't allowed to vote, Remain would have won convincingly. But I think the implication of OH's statement, that we should remove the franchise from racists and xenophobes, might be a little "thin end of the wedge"ish. Once you stop the racists from voting because they're arseholes, what other groups of arseholes might you choose to exlude? Tories? Chelsea fans? Bankers? The poor? Scots? The ill educated? Privately educated? You could make a solid case for taking them all out of the electorate, of course... If the squealing whining bedwetters hadn't been allowed to vote we'd be out by now. It's a stupid argument. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 20, 2016 20:17:58 GMT
OH is of course right. If the bigots and xenophobes weren't allowed to vote, Remain would have won convincingly. But I think the implication of OH's statement, that we should remove the franchise from racists and xenophobes, might be a little "thin end of the wedge"ish. Once you stop the racists from voting because they're arseholes, what other groups of arseholes might you choose to exlude? Tories? Chelsea fans? Bankers? The poor? Scots? The ill educated? Privately educated? You could make a solid case for taking them all out of the electorate, of course... I implied no such thing, I clearly said they have and "even" deserve the vote. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 20, 2016 20:21:24 GMT
OH is of course right. If the bigots and xenophobes weren't allowed to vote, Remain would have won convincingly. But I think the implication of OH's statement, that we should remove the franchise from racists and xenophobes, might be a little "thin end of the wedge"ish. Once you stop the racists from voting because they're arseholes, what other groups of arseholes might you choose to exlude? Tories? Chelsea fans? Bankers? The poor? Scots? The ill educated? Privately educated? You could make a solid case for taking them all out of the electorate, of course... If the squealing whining bedwetters hadn't been allowed to vote we'd be out by now. It's a stupid argument. Awww bless, you think we're leaving the EU. That's quaint. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Jul 20, 2016 20:26:41 GMT
If the squealing whining bedwetters hadn't been allowed to vote we'd be out by now. It's a stupid argument. Awww bless, you think we're leaving the EU. That's quaint. I have no idea what that is supposed to say. Please don't confuse that with a request for information. |
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Post by lala on Jul 20, 2016 21:37:34 GMT
Why would a Remainer work on their exit strategy before Brexit happened? Because he was the f**k**g Prime Minister of the country and it was his job to make sure the eventualities were covered. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 20, 2016 21:39:19 GMT
In fairness, you'd also hope the Brexiters would have thought about a Brexit strategy, but apparently nobody bothered.
It's might be a dereliction of duty by Cameron, but it's even more of one by Johnson and Davis and Fox. Good job none of them are involved with the Brexit strategy now...
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 20, 2016 21:42:28 GMT
Why would a Remainer work on their exit strategy before Brexit happened? Because he was the f**k**g Prime Minister of the country and it was his job to make sure the eventualities were covered. I was referring to May. But even with Cameron - why? He (stupidly admittedly) never thought it would win and rightly decided that he should hand over the reins to somebody else once he lost his referendum (I think he expected a Brexiter which makes sense but that's by the by.) |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 20, 2016 21:42:56 GMT
In fairness, you'd also hope the Brexiters would have thought about a Brexit strategy, but apparently nobody bothered. It's might be a dereliction of duty by Cameron, but it's even more of one by Johnson and Davis and Fox. Good job none of them are involved with the Brexit strategy now... True. But Fox at least ran for PM, he just lost. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 20, 2016 21:45:11 GMT
Ignore the troll, OH. "Why would a Remainer work on their exit strategy before Brexit happened?" van. It's extraordinarily peculiar that Cameron's gummint hadn't allowed for this outcome and prepared an exit strategy. In fact it's highly f**k**g bizarre. As I said, something stinks. And it can't be that they never dreamt there'd be an out vote because everyone knew it was running around 50/50 a long time before the referendum. Which shouldn't have made a difference anyway - there should have been a strategy in place for exit. It's not that peculiar. It's just further evidence of how alienated our political/media body is from how a majority of the country feels. I mean we all see the country in our own image /the image of those around us. But politicians are at leased supposed to take the pulse of the country. Although I was referring to May. I don't really see why she would have devised an exit strategy prior to Brexit being a reality. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 20, 2016 21:45:48 GMT
Yeah, but Fox ran for PM without apparently having any idea of how he was going to plan for Brexit, continuing his programme of wanting something but not really knowing how he was going to get it. Much like the many times he's run to be Tory leader without having any support.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 20, 2016 21:46:21 GMT
& those shouting democracy has spoken can piss off too. We are a parliamentary democracy, 70% of parliament and all parties except the racist one was for Bremain. It's farcicle to elect decision makers and then make the decisions. Is it not worrying how different the mood of parliament is to the rest of the country? |
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