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Post by ootlg on Nov 17, 2021 12:48:07 GMT
Few of us understand the hell most of these refugees have gone through.
As a by the by, the first safe country agreement for asylum seekers is the Dublin Convention of the EU. Being no longer a member of the EU the UK no longer has a say in this; in fact strictly speaking as a third country it has no right to send refugees to any EU country. So another Brexit cock-up.
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Post by mids on Nov 17, 2021 12:55:39 GMT
Immigrants. My brother immigrated to Canada and had to jump through all sorts of hoops to do so and had to wait years for citizenship. Also, in all the years he's been there, he's managed to not blow anyone up.
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Post by ootlg on Nov 17, 2021 12:58:24 GMT
Ah, that makes all the difference.
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Post by mids on Nov 17, 2021 12:59:23 GMT
I knew you'd see sense.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 17, 2021 13:25:22 GMT
Word on the street is that if you convert to Christianity then you can claim being sent back to muzzie land means you risk being killed. Also, the charging around with a knife in an attempt to get sectioned is a bit ofva cliche. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 17, 2021 13:27:24 GMT
Few of us understand the hell most of these refugees have gone through. As a by the by, the first safe country agreement for asylum seekers is the Dublin Convention of the EU. Being no longer a member of the EU the UK no longer has a say in this; in fact strictly speaking as a third country it has no right to send refugees to any EU country. So another Brexit cock-up. Not sure that holds water TBH. The EU would refer it to it's own regs. |
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Post by flatandy on Nov 17, 2021 14:03:49 GMT
Immigrants. My brother immigrated to Canada and had to jump through all sorts of hoops to do so Your brother is a police dog? |
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Post by ootlg on Nov 17, 2021 14:30:57 GMT
Few of us understand the hell most of these refugees have gone through. As a by the by, the first safe country agreement for asylum seekers is the Dublin Convention of the EU. Being no longer a member of the EU the UK no longer has a say in this; in fact strictly speaking as a third country it has no right to send refugees to any EU country. So another Brexit cock-up. Not sure that holds water TBH. The EU would refer it to it's own regs. What do you mean? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 17, 2021 14:35:59 GMT
The EU would be obliged to follow it's own rules, no?
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Post by ootlg on Nov 17, 2021 14:43:10 GMT
And?
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 17, 2021 14:44:15 GMT
So, had we cause to send someone back to say, France, they would have to refer to their own regs.
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Post by ootlg on Nov 17, 2021 16:30:50 GMT
It makes the 'first safe country' a non-argument for the UK. As I understand it asylum can be asked anywhere, which is why the Dublin Convention was put together, to stop the asylum shopping around Europe. Which incidentally means that Italy or Spain (at the moment) should be held to account. But they're not. None of this now applies to the UK, and strictly speaking, sending back refugees to the EU is not only against every human right in the book, but illegal. As a member of the EU they were within their rights to do that.
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Post by mids on Nov 17, 2021 16:35:42 GMT
It's not just an EU convention though, it's a UN one.
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ootlg
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Post by ootlg on Nov 17, 2021 16:36:54 GMT
The Dublin Convention/Regulation is an EU one.
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mids
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Post by mids on Nov 17, 2021 17:25:31 GMT
Stick to it then.
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Post by ootlg on Nov 17, 2021 17:34:06 GMT
Who,me? I'm just an innocent bystander m'lud.
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Post by voice on Nov 17, 2021 18:16:13 GMT
Immigrants. My brother immigrated to Canada Canada is very generous to those fleeing third world shitholes like Syria, Afghanistan and Scotland. |
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Post by mids on Nov 17, 2021 18:27:19 GMT
My etc. Although I agree with you when you say that Sturgeon is an appalling left wing leader and remainer who is deliberately running Scotland into the ground so as to be at the same level as the EU for rejoining purposes.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 17, 2021 19:29:06 GMT
It makes the 'first safe country' a non-argument for the UK. As I understand it asylum can be asked anywhere, which is why the Dublin Convention was put together, to stop the asylum shopping around Europe. Which incidentally means that Italy or Spain (at the moment) should be held to account. But they're not. None of this now applies to the UK, and strictly speaking, sending back refugees to the EU is not only against every human right in the book, but illegal. As a member of the EU they were within their rights to do that. Tripe. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 18, 2021 20:33:04 GMT
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