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Post by Repat Van on Nov 18, 2021 21:41:02 GMT
Yeah, they've definitely got the wrong end of the stick. Being Muslim in Britain is much more beneficial than being Christian. You’re mad. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 18, 2021 21:41:16 GMT
Immigrants. My brother immigrated to Canada and had to jump through all sorts of hoops to do so and had to wait years for citizenship. Also, in all the years he's been there, he's managed to not blow anyone up. So? (Also your brother maybe an undesirable. I have plenty of Canadian immie friends and their journey from student to citizen was plain sailing.) |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 18, 2021 21:43:22 GMT
The first time ever I am saying well done to the Church of England. Not sure what the issue is. If it’s about finding a way to stay in the country then it’s perfectly acceptable. It’s what economic migrants (who are not in the dire straits asylum seekers are) do every day. Also if somebody approaches the church wishing to convert what exactly are they meant to do? |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 18, 2021 21:43:49 GMT
Mental health issues, must be mistaken, he's not white enough to have that... Sorry. I forgot for a second. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 18, 2021 21:45:47 GMT
Word on the street is that if you convert to Christianity then you can claim being sent back to muzzie land means you risk being killed. Also, the charging around with a knife in an attempt to get sectioned is a bit ofva cliche. Because only white people can experience mental health episodes. Everybody else is just faking it. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 18, 2021 21:47:18 GMT
It's not just an EU convention though, it's a UN one. The UK has shown they are happy to ignore international laws so seems a bit rich to whine that asylum seekers who make it to the UK basically do as the UK does. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 18, 2021 21:50:26 GMT
It makes the 'first safe country' a non-argument for the UK. As I understand it asylum can be asked anywhere, which is why the Dublin Convention was put together, to stop the asylum shopping around Europe. Which incidentally means that Italy or Spain (at the moment) should be held to account. But they're not. None of this now applies to the UK, and strictly speaking, sending back refugees to the EU is not only against every human right in the book, but illegal. As a member of the EU they were within their rights to do that. The “first safe country” argument is only wheeled out by bigoted Brits who don’t want any refugees or asylum seekers in the UK. It’s why they advance the moronic position that anybody who chooses to flee to the UK cannot technically be a refugee or asylum seeker although that logic is baseless. The circumstances you are fleeing dictate whether you are an asylum seeker / refugee. Not the location you lodged your claim. There is also a bit of the “model minority” syndrome at work. As the same people who argue that the only refugees / asylum seekers the UK should logically be taking are from Ireland, Spain or France, also have no issue with Hong Kong citizens fleeing to the UK. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 2:54:45 GMT
"The “first safe country” argument" is not a argument. It's international law.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 2:56:48 GMT
There's nothing wrong with a "model minority" either. Ask most people in UK whether they would prefer more of x or more of y and they might reasonably reflect on our collective experience of each.
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Post by ootlg on Nov 19, 2021 7:48:20 GMT
It makes the 'first safe country' a non-argument for the UK. As I understand it asylum can be asked anywhere, which is why the Dublin Convention was put together, to stop the asylum shopping around Europe. Which incidentally means that Italy or Spain (at the moment) should be held to account. But they're not. None of this now applies to the UK, and strictly speaking, sending back refugees to the EU is not only against every human right in the book, but illegal. As a member of the EU they were within their rights to do that. Tripe. Put your money where your rather large gob is then... |
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Post by ootlg on Nov 19, 2021 7:50:21 GMT
"The “first safe country” argument" is not a argument. It's international law. Gibberish. As usual. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 7:54:10 GMT
"One of the objectives of Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters is to prevent asylum shopping.[3] The Dublin Convention stipulates that asylum seekers are returned to the country where their entry into the union was first recorded and where they were first fingerprinted. Another objective of this policy is to prevent asylum seekers in orbit, i.e., to prevent the continual transfer of asylum seekers between countries trying to get others to accept them.[4][5] To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[6] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries. " en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shopping |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 7:55:55 GMT
Two birds, one stone.
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Post by ootlg on Nov 19, 2021 7:58:47 GMT
There's nothing wrong with a "model minority" either. Ask most people in UK whether they would prefer more of x or more of y and they might reasonably reflect on our collective experience of each. Most people - gibberish.
Kinell Baloo, your idiocy knows no bounds this morning - bad day at work?
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Post by ootlg on Nov 19, 2021 8:01:57 GMT
"One of the objectives of Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters is to prevent asylum shopping.[3] The Dublin Convention stipulates that asylum seekers are returned to the country where their entry into the union was first recorded and where they were first fingerprinted. Another objective of this policy is to prevent asylum seekers in orbit, i.e., to prevent the continual transfer of asylum seekers between countries trying to get others to accept them.[4][5] To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[6] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries. " en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shoppingThank you for repeating what I said. It's an EU thing. Not international.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says everyone has the right to ask asylum. It makes no mention of the first safe country.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 8:04:05 GMT
There's nothing wrong with a "model minority" either. Ask most people in UK whether they would prefer more of x or more of y and they might reasonably reflect on our collective experience of each. Most people - gibberish.
Kinell Baloo, your idiocy knows no bounds this morning - bad day at work?
What's your point exactly? Do you have one or have you just woken up asa little girl? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 8:05:16 GMT
"One of the objectives of Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters is to prevent asylum shopping.[3] The Dublin Convention stipulates that asylum seekers are returned to the country where their entry into the union was first recorded and where they were first fingerprinted. Another objective of this policy is to prevent asylum seekers in orbit, i.e., to prevent the continual transfer of asylum seekers between countries trying to get others to accept them.[4][5] To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[6] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries. " en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shoppingThank you for repeating what I said. It's an EU thing. Not international.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says everyone has the right to ask asylum. It makes no mention of the first safe country.
Oh, so you don'think the EU is made up of sovereign states. Gotcha. That'd be about right for you. |
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Post by ootlg on Nov 19, 2021 8:06:29 GMT
Hahaha.... Weasel. Admit you're wrong.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 8:10:57 GMT
In what way? The EU is made up of sovereign states.
I think you've done a silly here and mixed up the terms international and universal, declaration and law.
Silly boy. Have another go.
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Post by flatandy on Nov 19, 2021 12:38:44 GMT
The first safe country law is a way of making sure that countries in Western Europe and North America don’t have to pull their weight and almost all the burden falls on very poor countries adjacent to war zones and despotates.
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