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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 19, 2021 13:05:30 GMT
Good. Why f**k up countries that are doing okay? We should help of course, but taking in shedloads of unsuitable, largely socially useless defectors isn't really helping anyone. We should help in situ and do more to prevent the sort of nonsense that leads to refugees.
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Post by mids on Nov 19, 2021 13:24:42 GMT
Fighting-age men.
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Post by unclejunior on Nov 19, 2021 13:40:07 GMT
…..like Germany ,France ,Italy ,Spain and Italy.
Failed poor countries one and all
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Post by ootlg on Nov 20, 2021 11:43:25 GMT
In what way? The EU is made up of sovereign states. I think you've done a silly here and mixed up the terms international and universal, declaration and law. Silly boy. Have another go. The Dublin regime was originally established by the Dublin Convention, which was signed in Dublin, Ireland on 15 June 1990, and first came into force on 1 September 1997 for the first twelve signatories (Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and the United Kingdom), on 1 October 1997 for Austria and Sweden, and on 1 January 1998 for Finland. While the convention was only open to accession by member states of the European Communities, Norway and Iceland, non-member states, concluded an agreement with the EC in 2001 to apply the provisions of the Convention in their territories.
The Dublin Regulation (Regulation No. 604/2013; sometimes the Dublin III Regulation; previously the Dublin II Regulation and Dublin Convention) is a European Union (EU) law that determines which EU Member State is responsible for the examination of an application for asylum, submitted by persons seeking international protection under the Geneva Convention and the EU Qualification Directive, within the European Union. It is the cornerstone of the Dublin System, which consists of the Dublin Regulation and the EURODAC Regulation, which establishes a Europe-wide fingerprinting database for unauthorised entrants to the EU. The Dublin Regulation aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim]" and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State.
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2021 11:53:50 GMT
The first safe country law is a way of making sure that countries in Western Europe and North America don’t have to pull their weight and almost all the burden falls on very poor countries adjacent to war zones and despotates. Absolutely. They can pretend their objections are because “they did not apply in the first safe country”. When actually they just don’t want refugees or asylum seekers full stop. And no migrants either (unless they’re white or East Asian.) |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2021 11:55:39 GMT
There's nothing wrong with a "model minority" either. Ask most people in UK whether they would prefer more of x or more of y and they might reasonably reflect on our collective experience of each. Well that’s what I said. It’s driven by bigotry. And there is a lot wrong with prejudice and bigotry… |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2021 11:58:15 GMT
Good. Why f**k up countries that are doing okay? We should help of course, but taking in shedloads of unsuitable, largely socially useless defectors isn't really helping anyone. We should help in situ and do more to prevent the sort of nonsense that leads to refugees. So they should be honest. And drop the “FIrst saFE CountRY” argument as we can see through to the real source of objections. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 13:36:37 GMT
In what way? The EU is made up of sovereign states. I think you've done a silly here and mixed up the terms international and universal, declaration and law. Silly boy. Have another go. The Dublin regime was originally established by the Dublin Convention, which was signed in Dublin, Ireland on 15 June 1990, and first came into force on 1 September 1997 for the first twelve signatories (Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and the United Kingdom), on 1 October 1997 for Austria and Sweden, and on 1 January 1998 for Finland. While the convention was only open to accession by member states of the European Communities, Norway and Iceland, non-member states, concluded an agreement with the EC in 2001 to apply the provisions of the Convention in their territories.
The Dublin Regulation (Regulation No. 604/2013; sometimes the Dublin III Regulation; previously the Dublin II Regulation and Dublin Convention) is a European Union (EU) law that determines which EU Member State is responsible for the examination of an application for asylum, submitted by persons seeking international protection under the Geneva Convention and the EU Qualification Directive, within the European Union. It is the cornerstone of the Dublin System, which consists of the Dublin Regulation and the EURODAC Regulation, which establishes a Europe-wide fingerprinting database for unauthorised entrants to the EU. The Dublin Regulation aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim]" and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State.
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So , an agreement or treaty between sovereignstates enshrined in law? Good. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 13:40:01 GMT
There's nothing wrong with a "model minority" either. Ask most people in UK whether they would prefer more of x or more of y and they might reasonably reflect on our collective experience of each. Well that’s what I said. It’s driven by bigotry. And there is a lot wrong with prejudice and bigotry… Nah. Having your life blighted isn't bigotry. The truth is that most Brit feel that mass immigration has spioled our society somewhat. |
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Post by ootlg on Nov 20, 2021 17:04:14 GMT
The Dublin regime was originally established by the Dublin Convention, which was signed in Dublin, Ireland on 15 June 1990, and first came into force on 1 September 1997 for the first twelve signatories (Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and the United Kingdom), on 1 October 1997 for Austria and Sweden, and on 1 January 1998 for Finland. While the convention was only open to accession by member states of the European Communities, Norway and Iceland, non-member states, concluded an agreement with the EC in 2001 to apply the provisions of the Convention in their territories.
The Dublin Regulation (Regulation No. 604/2013; sometimes the Dublin III Regulation; previously the Dublin II Regulation and Dublin Convention) is a European Union (EU) law that determines which EU Member State is responsible for the examination of an application for asylum, submitted by persons seeking international protection under the Geneva Convention and the EU Qualification Directive, within the European Union. It is the cornerstone of the Dublin System, which consists of the Dublin Regulation and the EURODAC Regulation, which establishes a Europe-wide fingerprinting database for unauthorised entrants to the EU. The Dublin Regulation aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim]" and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State.
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So , an agreement or treaty between sovereignstates enshrined in law? Good. As I said at the outset (with which you disagreed).
Interestingly, you voted to leave the EU to get your sovereignty back. Sort of indicates you either don't know what you're talking about or you're weaseling again.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 17:06:28 GMT
You're so wrong that I don't really know where to begin.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 17:10:01 GMT
"Thank you for repeating what I said. It's an EU thing. Not international."
Proven to be wrong.
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Post by ootlg on Nov 20, 2021 17:10:20 GMT
Painted yourself into a corner. Fair enough. I knew you were bullshitting when you began comparing 'universal' with 'international'. Subterfuge. Anything but admit you're wrong.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 17:11:35 GMT
Now, do you accept that the concept of first country asylum claims is enshrined in EU law?
A yes or no will do.
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Post by ootlg on Nov 20, 2021 17:12:28 GMT
No.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 17:17:03 GMT
Why do you say that?
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 17:18:17 GMT
Your citation: "The Dublin Regulation (Regulation No. 604/2013; sometimes the Dublin III Regulation; previously the Dublin II Regulation and Dublin Convention) is a European Union (EU) law that determines which EU Member State is responsible for the examination of an application for asylum, submitted by persons seeking international protection under the Geneva Convention and the EU Qualification Directive, within the European Union. It is the cornerstone of the Dublin System, which consists of the Dublin Regulation and the EURODAC Regulation, which establishes a Europe-wide fingerprinting database for unauthorised entrants to the EU. The Dublin Regulation aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim]" and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State."
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 17:19:38 GMT
Painted yourself into a corner. Fair enough. I knew you were bullshitting when you began comparing 'universal' with 'international'. Subterfuge. Anything but admit you're wrong. This is a near-perfect inversion of the truth. |
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Post by ootlg on Nov 20, 2021 17:23:45 GMT
I was being pernickety: Denmark's opted out, so 'enshrined in EU law' isn't 100%.
But okay, I'll play. What's your point?
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 20, 2021 17:28:17 GMT
You were being wrong, while making my case for me.
So, what defence would the EU offer if the UK handed back a number of illegal immigrants who had made their way across the EU to get to the sunlit uplands of Free UK?
What law and whose courts would they hear the matter in? What law might those courts feel they should apply? Wou
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