Time To Shut Down The BBC

[Repat Van]

Jul 3, 2024 7:58:01 GMT perrykneeham said:

"There’s a memory, or more specifically a moment, that came to define Heidi Metcalf’s second birth.

It wasn’t saying goodbye to her husband and newborn before being wheeled into an operating theatre, or the heart attack she thought she was having as she lay there on the table.

It was when a male obstetrician “ripped the placenta” out of her body, without word or warning.

A nurse, Ms Metcalf knows the intervention - while immensely painful - was necessary. She couldn't push it out naturally, which was causing potentially fatal bleeding.

But she hadn’t “seen or met this man before”, and she can’t get past the fact that her consent, during one of the most traumatic experiences of her life, “meant so little”.

“It felt like a violation - I needed to feel involved in what was happening to my body, and not just like a bystander.”

Ms Metcalf is one of thousands of Australian women who have come forward to tell their stories, after the federal government assembled a team of experts to tackle what it calls 'medical misogyny'."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv229ereeejo

I have read a lot about this kind of thing, but globally.

Many many many horrifying birth stories of women being treated as little more than the human shaped wrapping paper babies come in and I am only just learning of how many women have lifelong problems with their bodies following childbirth / how they were treated in childbirth.

Yikes! *crosses legs firmly*

It’s about time medical misogyny was taken seriously.

[perrykneeham]

Yeah, if and when it occurs, it should be addressed. Keep an eye out, just.in case. It's better to be prepared.

[mids]

"medical misogyny"

[flatandy]

There are lots and lots of examples of medical misogyny. It's a well know problem.

But that first one is a really f**k**g terrible example of it: doc performs emergency life saving treatment on you at a critical moment, and you're upset that you didn't know him? That you hadn't had a nice meet-and-greet a few weeks earlier so you were comfortable in his presence? What?

[mids]

Doctors and medical people make mistakes all the time. Sometimes they remove all your kidneys when they're meant to be fixing your nose or they might just not have a good bedside manner or are just having a bad day. Or maybe you're the knob. It doesn't always have to be ideologically driven bigotry- except when it's NHS doctors from far away who have medieval attitudes towards women and gays.

[perrykneeham]

"The BBC spoke to six women for this piece. They shared experiences of being called “anxious”, “pushy” or even “hysterical” while seeking treatment"

I'm not a medical man, but those seem like reasonable diagnoses.

[mids]

That's just the normal state of your average Labour voter.

[Repat Van]

I do enjoy when Bear and Mids continue to demonstrate clearly that their pretence of “caring about women” when the discussion is on transgender people is all a lie.

Any other issue concerning women being harmed and their standard misogyny comes out once again.

[Repat Van]

Jul 3, 2024 13:38:50 GMT flatandy said:

There are lots and lots of examples of medical misogyny. It's a well know problem.

But that first one is a really f**k**g terrible example of it: doc performs emergency life saving treatment on you at a critical moment, and you're upset that you didn't know him? That you hadn't had a nice meet-and-greet a few weeks earlier so you were comfortable in his presence? What?

It’s not a bad example.
Life saving or not she can still be treated like a human in the interim.

[flatandy]

But "Treated by a doctor she'd hardly met" seems like a ridiculous complaint in an emergency situation.

[Repat Van]

I don't see how it is. She acknowledges the procedure was necessary but that is part of the complaint - the complete dismissal of how they would feel in what is already a stressful situation having a random wander in to do the treatment. I understand now why I know women who opted oout of motherhood because they could not bear the thought of dealing with the dismissive medical system in something as challenging as childbirth.

Who knows what she would have preferred - maybe a two second intro or or something / anything that acknowledges she was a human and not a problem to be fixed.

[perrykneeham]

Jul 3, 2024 15:46:46 GMT Repat Van said:

I do enjoy when Bear and Mids continue to demonstrate clearly that their pretence of “caring about women” when the discussion is on transgender people is all a lie.

Any other issue concerning women being harmed and their standard misogyny comes out once again.

Say what now? Are you on something?

[voice]

It's well known male Dr's take women's health less seriously, women are over prescribed anti-depresents because many have the same attitude towards women's health that the chuckle brothers displayed above. Pain is under treated and chronic conditions are dismissed.

That being said some complaints such "it was horrific a Dr I'd never met saved my life" actually distract from actual cases when women are treated as less by Dr's and just gives idiots more reason to dismiss actual instances of medical misogyny.

[mids]

Anyway, imagine the far left pretending to care about women's welfare when they're intensely relaxed about girls getting raped in the LNSs and are mightily in favour of male rapists being in women's prisons and toilets.

[voice]

Well you've always had an over active imagination, try reality for a change, we all prefer it here.

[perrykneeham]

"well known"

[voice]

It is to those who work in healthcare, but more widely among those who've educated themselves, there are studies and everything.

And knowing your next rote reply, here's some links.

www.health.harvard.edu/blog/women-and-pain-disparities-in-experience-and-treatment-2017100912562

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210406164124.htm

Not that's it's going to stop you trying to pretend the discussion is about something random you're about to introduce and not what was said, but have at it.

[flatandy]

Jul 3, 2024 17:26:32 GMT perrykneeham said:

"well known"

Fair point. It's obviously not well known enough.

[flatandy]

Jul 3, 2024 16:14:15 GMT Repat Van said:

I don't see how it is. She acknowledges the procedure was necessary but that is part of the complaint - the complete dismissal of how they would feel in what is already a stressful situation having a random wander in to do the treatment. I understand now why I know women who opted oout of motherhood because they could not bear the thought of dealing with the dismissive medical system in something as challenging as childbirth.

Who knows what she would have preferred - maybe a two second intro or or something / anything that acknowledges she was a human and not a problem to be fixed.

Why is this different to someone bleeding out after being shot. Would that person also like a warm introduction to their medical team, or to get fixed before they die?

This is not the same as the symptoms of heart attacks in women often being ignored because the textbooks were written by - and therefore largely covering the experiences of - men.

[perrykneeham]

"educated themselves"

Yeah, that sounds about right.