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Post by flatandy on Aug 18, 2019 21:27:41 GMT
Indeed, that video you show reinforces the point - the "Proud Boys" are happy to have created violence in Portland and consider that a PR victory.
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Post by voice on Aug 18, 2019 22:00:27 GMT
The response by the right today is not so different to their reaction to the very similar March on Cable Street by fascists in 1936
To the Daily Mail, a subheadline of “Reds Attack Blackshirts” summed up the events of the day itself:
“An early clash occurred when organised Communists, singing and shouting, set out in a body down the Minories to march to Royal Mint-street. Mounted police with baton drawn, reinforced the mass of police on foot, and the Communists were driven back to Aldgate, where they merged in the crowed.”
“Many people in the crowed wore red tabs in their button holes. Every time a bus or tramway-car load of policeman arrived they were greeted with ironical cheering, booing, and the Communist salute – the clenched fist.”
The Daily Mail were early advocates of the BUF under the influence of its co-founder and owner Viscount Rothermere (1868–1940), who wrote an infamous editorial in support of the BUF, ‘Hurrah for the Blackshirts!’, in 1934. Rothermere promotes the party as being “the Party of Youth” that “represents the effort of the younger generation to put new life into out-of-date political systems.” [5]
Time passes but some things never change
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Post by rick49 on Aug 18, 2019 23:12:30 GMT
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Post by rick49 on Aug 18, 2019 23:23:39 GMT
Strange how there are not any videos of of the "Nazi's" attacking Antifa. Strange how Antifa isn't posting videos of them being attacked. Only videos of Antifa singling people out at random, deciding they are a "Nazi," and beating on them.
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Post by voice on Aug 18, 2019 23:24:12 GMT
no one is surprised Trump is taking the side of violent white supremacist thugs, themselves least of all, he loves em.
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Post by voice on Aug 18, 2019 23:27:59 GMT
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Post by rick49 on Aug 19, 2019 1:38:51 GMT
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Post by voice on Aug 19, 2019 3:08:12 GMT
I suppose to those who are pro white supremacists and pro fascist, anyone who not a drinking the far right kool aid that these violent thugs descending on Portland itching for a fight with the anti-fascists are really peace loving flower children, is gonna be providing cover. Being anti-fascist is really the default position of most people, has been for 80 years, just cos there are on the rise again, aided and abetted by the Trump administration, does not mean the majority are not suddenly anti-fascist, we are.
After all eternal vigilance against fascism is the price of freedom.
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Post by reverend on Aug 19, 2019 8:12:28 GMT
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Post by reverend on Aug 19, 2019 8:16:43 GMT
You still seem less upset about racist right wing agitators who're deliberately trying to create confrontation than you are with people who resist fascists. US citizens have a right to freedom of speech and expression under the constitution even if you disagree with them and it's the polices job to police it! You seem quite happy with self appointed politicised fascist thugs enforcing their own version of law, antifa went there to cause trouble, to confront their political opponents, it's they that are the fascists and you ignore it! |
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Post by reverend on Aug 19, 2019 8:17:25 GMT
I suppose to those who are pro white supremacists and pro fascist, anyone who not a drinking the far right kool aid that these violent thugs descending on Portland itching for a fight with the anti-fascists are really peace loving flower children, is gonna be providing cover. Being anti-fascist is really the default position of most people, has been for 80 years, just cos there are on the rise again, aided and abetted by the Trump administration, does not mean the majority are not suddenly anti-fascist, we are. After all eternal vigilance against fascism is the price of freedom. says the guy supporting actual fascists! |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 19, 2019 9:32:47 GMT
no one is surprised Trump is taking the side of violent white supremacist thugs, themselves least of all, he loves em. It’s really quite bizarre that there are people genuinely arguing that being anti-Nazi is the same moral position as being a Nazi. Just mind-boggling. |
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Post by mids on Aug 19, 2019 9:53:34 GMT
It doesn't amaze or boggle me in the slightest that some people are so thick and gullible that they'll believe in fascists-under-the-bed bogeypersons. I think it's a human trait but also the recent phenomenon of the elevation of victimhood among certain types as something to aspire to. It's an "Oh look, aren't we brave. Fascists roam the streets but I'll cope" attitude. Really quite pathetic.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 19, 2019 10:12:47 GMT
Yes, and being ostentatiously anti-fascist does not necessarily make someone nice.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 19, 2019 11:14:10 GMT
I suppose to those who are pro white supremacists and pro fascist, anyone who not a drinking the far right kool aid that these violent thugs descending on Portland itching for a fight with the anti-fascists are really peace loving flower children, is gonna be providing cover. Being anti-fascist is really the default position of most people, has been for 80 years, just cos there are on the rise again, aided and abetted by the Trump administration, does not mean the majority are not suddenly anti-fascist, we are. After all eternal vigilance against fascism is the price of freedom. "He was taken to the hospital, given a CT scan and diagnosed with a subarachnoid hemorrhage, a severe, potentially fatal head injury that involves bleeding around the brain." wjla.com/news/nation-world/why-a-journalist-was-attacked-by-antifa-in-portland-oregonCan you prove that journalist, who your mask wearing heroes/brown shirts almost murdered, is a member of the Proud Boys? Oh, wait. He wasn't a member of the brown shirts/Antifa, so that automatically makes him a Nazi, right? Your idols just gave him what he deserved, right? |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 19, 2019 13:53:34 GMT
It doesn't amaze or boggle me in the slightest that some people are so thick and gullible that they'll believe in fascists-under-the-bed bogeypersons. I think it's a human trait but also the recent phenomenon of the elevation of victimhood among certain types as something to aspire to. It's an "Oh look, aren't we brave. Fascists roam the streets but I'll cope" attitude. Really quite pathetic. Can you clarify for me, Mids - are you arguing that the far-right racist agitators who's goal is to create violence are not fascists? That the existence of fascists is just a fantasy of antifa? |
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Post by mids on Aug 19, 2019 14:26:03 GMT
"That the existence of fascists is just a fantasy of antifa?"
Largely. When they are reduced to beating up gay, Korean journalists because they can't find any actual fascists, don't you question the extent of these fascists?
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Post by jimboky on Aug 19, 2019 14:28:20 GMT
It doesn't amaze or boggle me in the slightest that some people are so thick and gullible that they'll believe in fascists-under-the-bed bogeypersons. I think it's a human trait but also the recent phenomenon of the elevation of victimhood among certain types as something to aspire to. It's an "Oh look, aren't we brave. Fascists roam the streets but I'll cope" attitude. Really quite pathetic. Can you clarify for me, Mids - are you arguing that the far-right racist agitators who's goal is to create violence are not fascists? That the existence of fascists is just a fantasy of antifa? only the only violence here seems to be antifa,,, they are the ones with the mask and hammers |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 19, 2019 14:55:45 GMT
"That the existence of fascists is just a fantasy of antifa?" Largely. When they are reduced to beating up gay, Korean journalists because they can't find any actual fascists, don't you question the extent of these fascists? Interesting. You're one of the people who thinks that fascists aren't fascists because they're not in 1930s Italy. That if someone has all the beliefs and behaviours and goals and tactics of the Brownshirts, but doesn't actually have a membership card signed by Benito, they're not really fascists at all... |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 19, 2019 14:56:28 GMT
It doesn't amaze or boggle me in the slightest that some people are so thick and gullible that they'll believe in fascists-under-the-bed bogeypersons. I think it's a human trait but also the recent phenomenon of the elevation of victimhood among certain types as something to aspire to. It's an "Oh look, aren't we brave. Fascists roam the streets but I'll cope" attitude. Really quite pathetic. Here is one of them. When did Brits, BRITONS, start arguing the anti-Nazi position is as bad as the Nazi one? How time does change. |
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