Al Franken, bit of a perv as well

[jimboky]

There are exceptions to the SOL, I'm not sure if they apply here, I've seen cases involving minor victim where the SOL didn't apply

[flatandy]

So you're saying that you're happy to have someone in the Senate who's tried to pick up 14 year old girls; and who's hovered around malls looking for young girls half his age?

If so, I hope there's no "moral outrage" ever about anything ever again from people who're willing to tolerate Moore.

[jimboky]

first convict, then punish, Moore still claims he didn't do it,

[flatandy]

As you know, there's no way to convict. So you basically seem to be saying that you're happy to let it go.

[jimboky]

Yes, that should be the standard, he is either innocent, or guilty, there is a reason we have courts.
with or without the SOL I don't think you could convict, after all it is still a "he said,,she said" unless we go to a Salem Witch Hunt standard

[flatandy]

The standards for a legal conviction are, of course "beyond all reasonable doubt".

And the standards also require all kinds of other things.

Candidates for election do not need to be held to legal standards. They are not "innocent until proven guilty". They are being elected, by the public.

[flatandy]

Also, of course, the standards to which we should hold people for infidelity should be totally linked to their pious gobshiteyness about moral standards.

Roy Moore claims to be some 10 commandment upholding, god-bothering, sanctimonious, shitheaded human being who loves quoting Leviticus. He is shown to be a hypocritical, horrible little arse.

Bill Clinton and Al Franken - for example - never once made any claims to moral superiority on the subject of philandering. Which is why the Lewinsky thing, for example, was never a thing worth giving a flying f**k about.

[rick49]

"And it's a bit attempts at distraction - classic Trumpian "Look, a squirrel, don't focus on the important stuff".

Well, thats pretty much what MSNBC and CNN news panels are saying. That talking about what Franken, Conyers, and Rose are accused of is just a right wing plot to divert attention from Moore. In other words, those stories should be ignored.

[flatandy]

Well, they're right about Rose completely. They're fairly right about Franken. Conyers is slightly different, and Pelosi embarrassed herself on that, this morning. He shouldn't be on the judiciary committee considering that he paid someone off over a misconduct claim.

But none of those stories deserve the amount of focus on them right now - none of those people is up for election in 3 weeks.

It's very much "Somebody on the other side did something. Less bad, but it's something. So let's try and create a story of equivalence, to make people think that what Moore did is not important".

[rick49]

True that the accusations against Franken, Rose, and Conyers are nowhere near as bad as the pedophilia charges against Moore. Could get interesting with Conyers, though. I think he said something to the effect that if he's pushed too hard, he will start naming names in Congress. Could be in for a circular firing squad.

[flatandy]

I think that would be great news. It would be good to get them all named and shamed.

[rick49]

Just saw the Pelosi thing. The but he's an icon defense? When asked if she believed the women, she wouldn't say yes, despite proof he paid hush money, with taxpayer money. Not out of his pocket. If she knew what he was doing for 30 years and helped cover it up,,,

[rick49]

Nov 27, 2017 1:28:17 GMT flatandy said:

I think that would be great news. It would be good to get them all named and shamed.

Yup.

[rick49]

"Nancy Pelosi Has Been Enabling Sexual Predators For Decades"

townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/11/27/nancy-pelosis-history-of-defending-sexual-abusers-n2414627

She knew whats been going on. But all of a sudden she has her sexual purity on and is "shocked."

Cokie Roberts: Oh, We All Knew To Avoid Getting in An Elevator With Rep. Conyers




"Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Cokie Roberts made a startling admission: "every female in the press corps knew" to avoid being in an elevator with Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), and has apparently known about this "for years."

townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/11/27/cokie-roberts-oh-we-all-knew-to-avoid-getting-in-an-elevator-with-rep-conyers-n2414826

So our wonderful, women protecting media knew all about it and covered it up. But all of a sudden the media has it's sexual purity on and is "shocked."

[mids]

I was watching a compilation of videos of Joe Biden in various photo ops. He's pretty creepy and slimy isn't he?

[Deleted]

Wonder why there's not so much coverage of the sex abuse of young males? Are males too macho to (have to be careful how I phrase this) er.. tell all. Or maybe males don't think it's that important? Young male actors and dancers get just as much attention from the pervs.

[flatandy]

Perhaps there's less of it?

I can think of two fairly good reasons there might be less. Most abusers seem to be male and probably 90% of people are (broadly) heterosexual, so presumably most sexual predators prey on girls and women.

And historically, men have been believed more, have had a stronger hand in the gender power dynamic, and are actually physically stronger, so perhaps it's also a bit more intimidating to abuse men. Particuarly in somewhere like backwoods, god-bothering Alabama, which tends to generally have very traditional gender-roles.

Not that it doesn't happen at all, and isn't reported at all, as the Kevin Spacey thing shows.

[flatandy]

Nov 28, 2017 16:05:30 GMT mids said:

I was watching a compilation of videos of Joe Biden ...

Why? For gods sakes why? How boring is your day job that you trawl the internet looking for videos of the previous vice-president?

[voice]

with Viagra now available over the counter mids probably was taking full advantage.

[Repat Van]

Nov 28, 2017 16:21:29 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

Wonder why there's not so much coverage of the sex abuse of young males? Are males too macho to (have to be careful how I phrase this) er.. tell all. Or maybe males don't think it's that important? Young male actors and dancers get just as much attention from the pervs.

There is less of it. Women aren’t as rapey as men which just leaves a tiny number of gay predators who men are at risk from.

Plus when men speak out about abuse, the response is far more positive than that faced by women.