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Post by voice on Nov 18, 2017 16:53:52 GMT
And as for AF, he was a Pervy fecker, but he at least has accepted he was a perv, apologised profusley (Though the first attempt was Sh!t) and his victim has accepted his apology. It is amusing how the right are loosing their Sh!t over this being far more outraged than his victim, though I suppose given they voted for a self confessed sex assaulted for president and are about to welcome a paedophile to their Senate ranks I can see why this would be grasped onto so fairly by your lot.
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Post by flatandy on Nov 18, 2017 18:26:36 GMT
The “outrage” from the right is purely performative. It’s not real, it’s just for show. They don’t care about the sex pesting. They only care that it’s someone nominally on the left
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Post by jimboky on Nov 18, 2017 20:37:57 GMT
slick willy was convicted, lost his law lic, was impeached by the Congress, his guilt is a matter of record,
I really don't think AF broke any laws, though it was a little distasteful, and aside from a unsupported statement form a woman as to something that may have happened 40 years ago I do think you need more than that, Moore still claims he didn't do anything and there is no evidence that he did
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Post by auldhippy on Nov 18, 2017 22:00:27 GMT
There's the mall watch perv list
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Post by Psalms on Nov 19, 2017 0:39:49 GMT
That concept is just for the Courtroom... in public opinion, anything goes
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 19, 2017 3:27:51 GMT
I know you are fully deranged on the issue but you can’t just make sh*t up. Why not argue people’s points instead of inventing things to argue against. Besides Weinstein has admitted to sexual harassment. Read his statement. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 19, 2017 3:28:29 GMT
That concept is just for the Courtroom... in public opinion, anything goes I wonder if Rick then insists OJ Simpson is innocent. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 19, 2017 3:43:18 GMT
"unlike all the Rep sex pests and pedophiles you support" Are you really that effing dense? I said I don't support Moore. I said I don't like him. Once again, show us the posts where I said I support Moore. I don't like either candidate. Moores opponent supports killing 9 month old babies. I don't even believe the accusation against Franken, except the picture. Accusations are not proof!!! Once again, you would have really enjoyed living during the Salem witch trials. If someone accused someone of being a witch, you would have been at the head of the mob screaming burn her! Oh the irony in this post...  |
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Post by voice on Nov 19, 2017 4:30:53 GMT
I know, it's just not worth unpacking that pile of bollox
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Post by flatandy on Nov 19, 2017 8:50:10 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't even hold in a personal damages trial. It literally only holds true in formal criminal proceedings.
You should probably treat public officials to higher standards than criminals. Bob Menendez (NJ Senator, Dem) for example, who just had a hung jury at his trial, may not be going to prison. But clearly a number of jurors thought he was guilty of corruption. Frankly, that should be a massive red flag to voters next time he's up.
Meanwhile, there can't be any direct evidence against Moore. But there's a huge amount of circumstantial evidence - multiple accusers telling stories with similar modus operandi, initially before talking to each other; along with apparently long-swirling rumours; and along with everyone having pretty good reasons for not having come forward earlier. You can't be 100% sure, but you wouldn't want to vote for him.
(Also "killing 9 month old babies"? Come on!)
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Post by voice on Nov 19, 2017 16:21:58 GMT
Well I've just had a look round and can't find any prominent lefties or lefty outlets attacking her, granted there might be stuff on your usual fringe bullshit sites they made up for your consumption, I'm sure britbart and info wars are pushing the same nonsense, but here in the real world nothing of note can be found.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:08:46 GMT
Without hard evidence, accusations are pointless. Okay, smoke and fire and who you like and don't, but who's to say a percentage of this isn't opportunism by those desperate for limelight or $? The sad thing is it denigrates the genuine cases to the point everyone ignores it all.
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Post by flatandy on Nov 19, 2017 18:59:39 GMT
Your response suggesting that it's opportunism and attempts for limelight is sad and denigrates genuine cases.
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Post by mids on Nov 19, 2017 19:45:23 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2017 5:55:52 GMT
I know, it's just not worth unpacking that pile of bollox I think some people struggle with the fact that “Insisting claims not be rejected out of hand =\= a claim should automatically be indicative of guilt”. It’s obvious to be an you but Rick is a little slow. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2017 5:56:45 GMT
Mids “assault is ok if she doesn’t try to stop you...” Plus Weinstein (her point of comparison) is of the left you blithering idiot. My niece is 4 and could understand her piece, you’re an academic and struggle? She makes an important point which many men (including on this board) seem to struggle with. That context is key. That making an awkward pass at somebody in a bar may not be the same as making an awkward pass at your employee in the photocopier room. That taking a photo with somebody where you pretend to be squeezing the breasts isn’t actually the same as genuinely squeezing their breasts while they sleep. Where things that maybe ok between mate’s may not be ok between bosses and employees. That somebody with power touching somebody without consent cannot assume that the person “letting them do it” is doing so because they are happy to be touched in that manner instead of out of fear of consequences. It’s not hard yet men like you keep insisting it is. (That said I do accept her waffle at the end is bonkers. Better find more progressive left wingers, who aren’t sexually inappropriate and put them in office then following Mids/ the Republican example of supporting sexually dodgy/repeat men in office as long as they are right-wingers) |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2017 5:59:10 GMT
“He added: ‘There are powerful people in this world. I’m afraid men take advantage of women and women take advantage of men, that’s life. I’d like to see how this story plays out, it’s very interesting.’ Read more: metro.co.uk/2017/10/12/jim-davidson-declares-harvey-weinstein-should-be-treated-as-innocent-until-proven-guilty-over-hollywood-abuse-claims-6994517/?ito=cbshareTwitter: twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: www.facebook.com/MetroUK/”“Women do it too!” (Except they don’t remotely do it in the number too - as a casual glance at crime figures can attest to, and it’s a transparent attempt at derailing. Where are all the stori s coming out about powerful women then if women do this kind of thing at a similar rate to men?) Rick is really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Leaving aside it’s Davidson, both seem not to acknowledge that Weinstein has admitted to many of the claims made against him. Ok they argue don’t believe women but can we believe the men when they admit to it? “Rape is a terrible thing. But it is also terrible to be wrongly accused of it.’” Let’s try: “Murder is a terrible thing. But it is also terrible to be wrongfully accused of it...” How does that nonsense sound? |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2017 6:06:00 GMT
The sl*t shaming of Tweeden by the left has begun. I always find it funny when social conservatives suddenly decide they have an issue with very *friendly* person shaming. They only seem to find it problematic when politically convenient... Anyway do you have a link to this s lut shaming from prominent left wingers / left wing organisations? |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 20, 2017 6:07:30 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't even hold in a personal damages trial. It literally only holds true in formal criminal proceedings. You should probably treat public officials to higher standards than criminals. Bob Menendez (NJ Senator, Dem) for example, who just had a hung jury at his trial, may not be going to prison. But clearly a number of jurors thought he was guilty of corruption. Frankly, that should be a massive red flag to voters next time he's up. Meanwhile, there can't be any direct evidence against Moore. But there's a huge amount of circumstantial evidence - multiple accusers telling stories with similar modus operandi, initially before talking to each other; along with apparently long-swirling rumours; and along with everyone having pretty good reasons for not having come forward earlier. You can't be 100% sure, but you wouldn't want to vote for him. (Also "killing 9 month old babies"? Come on!) What is this about killing 9 month old babies? I saw this in Rick’s post but it just seemed like nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 11:15:43 GMT
Your response suggesting that it's opportunism and attempts for limelight is sad and denigrates genuine cases. Your remark collapses under scrutiny. I suggested there may be some opportunism which would denigrate etc. You knew that but let your innate snideyness get the better of you - and knowing you'd get a clap from the feminist quarter. A clap, not the clap btw. |
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