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Post by flatandy on Aug 30, 2019 13:30:21 GMT
It was probably 10 years ago, but Grays was one of the most depressing places I've ever been in Britain. If I lived in Grays I'd be desperate to leave anything I was part of. The EU, Britain, England, Essex.
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Post by mids on Aug 30, 2019 13:35:33 GMT
Oddly, I've been in Grays quite a few times for work over the past 18 months. It is bit grim.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 30, 2019 13:47:32 GMT
I find that hard to believe. Because I find it hard to believe there's any jobs being done in Grays at all.
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Post by mids on Aug 30, 2019 14:31:49 GMT
It was about vainly trying to fix the shocking health of the denizens.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 30, 2019 14:34:36 GMT
Like a Medicins Sans Frontieres in a third world hellhole?
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Post by mids on Aug 30, 2019 14:36:59 GMT
Something like that. We should have gone in on choppers. We just got the train though.
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Post by mids on Aug 30, 2019 14:38:36 GMT
Actually I started driving there after the first couple of visits. It's a bit of a treck on the train from East Anglia.
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 30, 2019 17:02:39 GMT
Something like that. We should have gone in on choppers. We just got the train though. Raleigh Choppers?
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 30, 2019 17:45:37 GMT
Here's fun: have a listen to tonight's News Quiz on BBC R4. How many rye "facts" are true?
Cunts. I'm not even going to drug them first ....
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Post by mids on Aug 30, 2019 18:10:04 GMT
Something like that. We should have gone in on choppers. We just got the train though. Raleigh Choppers? More likely Chippers.
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Post by mids on Aug 30, 2019 18:12:18 GMT
Bloody hell. Just Did a search for Raleigh Chipper - couldn't remember exactly what they looked like. Some Choppers for sale came up. 1500 quid plus!
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 30, 2019 18:49:50 GMT
Yeah they don't fetch that much but nostalgia - lots of people now in their 40's/50's can afford good money to recapture their youth.
One of my my hobbies is early home computers and the profit I've made on eBay auctions is amazing. I only wanted the stuff preserved, wasn't fussed about the money.
Totally off-topic. Carry on...
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 30, 2019 23:04:04 GMT
It's the correct term. Look it up. Mind boggling.
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 30, 2019 23:05:34 GMT
I wonder if Divine is quite so enthusiastic about all of her clients. Why would she be? You would be a rare (and lucky) individual working in a service industry to be a fan of every customer you ever had. But we were talking about Grant.
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 30, 2019 23:07:35 GMT
A £3m grant to help UK nationals living in the EU with residency applications has been set up by the government. Charities and voluntary organisations will be able to use the money to support UK nationals preparing for Brexit with a focus on those who may struggle with the paperwork. This includes pensioners, disabled people, those in remote areas, and those needing translation help. About 1.3m UK-born people are resident in the EU. Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the government wanted to help UK nationals be "fully ready for Brexit, whatever the circumstances". Under the withdrawal deal agreed between Theresa May and the EU, UK nationals would have kept their freedom of movement rights during a transition period. However the deal was repeatedly rejected by MPs and the UK is currently set to leave the EU on 31 October without a deal. There is uncertainty about what a no-deal exit would mean for Britons living in the EU but expats are being advised to register as residents of the country in which they live. The rules on residency - including deadlines for paperwork - vary from country to country. The European Commission has urged EU countries, in the event of a no deal, to "take a generous approach to the rights of UK citizens in the EU, provided that this approach is reciprocated by the UK". It says the EU27 "should adopt a pragmatic approach to granting temporary residence status". The Home Office has said that EU freedom of movement will end immediately after a no-deal Brexit. However migration experts have suggested this will not be possible without a system to work out who is legally in the country. The changes to freedom of movement will not directly affect Irish citizens because British and Irish ministers have signed a deal to guarantee free movement for their citizens crossing the Irish border and cross-border access for study and health care LINKThey should backdate it and apply it to any and every U.K. citizen living overseas who had to apply for residency in their chosen country. In say, the last 4 years....
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Post by bertruss2 on Aug 31, 2019 7:14:24 GMT
Cancelling Brexit would save all this hassle.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 31, 2019 7:20:48 GMT
Cancelling democracy comes with it's own set of hassles.
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Post by whitewine on Aug 31, 2019 8:11:12 GMT
During the Referendum, Brexiters offered a political message which took a traditional and familiar form: if you vote for us then various (supposedly) good consequences will follow. It is easy to imagine what they would be saying now if any of these were evident; if companies were announcing new investments because of (not despite) Brexit; if foreign direct investment were booming in anticipation of Brexit, rather than tanking; if countries, especially Commonwealth countries, were champing at the bit to make new trade deals with Britain; if ‘German car companies’ had ‘within minutes of the vote’ to leave demanded a fantastic ‘cake and eat it’ deal and if the EU had rolled over to give it; if the Irish border was unaffected, as Brexiters had claimed it would be; or, even, if the negotiations were proceeding as smoothly and easily as they had promised. But of course none of those things has happened and so, since winning the Referendum, the Brexiters’ message has changed in a very fundamental way. The new message takes several forms but each has the same dialectical structure: to decouple the vote to leave the EU from the consequences of leaving the EU. It’s too late now
The first, and simplest, form is that the vote has now been held and so we must just live with the consequences. In that narrative, all debate and discussion ended with the Referendum. Remainers must get over it, leavers must be happy whatever happens. It’s a position exemplified by a recent tweet from the pro-Brexit journalist Julia Hartley-Brewer in response to being sent data about foreign direct investment since Brexit: “Mate, I really don’t care. This question was asked and answered two years ago. Move on with your life”. Simple as it is, it’s also naïve. Politics doesn’t work like that, as Brexiters should appreciate not least since on the night before the 2016 Referendum Nigel Farage declared otherwise and, on the night after the 1975 Referendum, so did Enoch Powell. In this if in nothing else Enoch, to coin a nasty little phrase, was right. Not only does politics not work like that in general, but it especially does not work like that in this case because, much as Brexiters dislike it, winning the vote was just the first and easiest part of a process which, in one way or another, will last for years. Hence they make a second claim. It’s not up to us
The second version is a denial of responsibility, with the central idea being that leave voters and their leaders have done their part simply by delivering the vote to leave. It is up to the politicians and the experts to now make it happen. This, too, is misguided. As I have written elsewhere, their victory was in many ways a disaster for Brexiters in that it meant that they are now responsible for whatever happens. Not just responsible, but uniquely responsible. They were warned over and over again of the consequences and insisted that these warnings were not just wrong but malevolent, self-interested fearmongering. So, now, they and they alone, own the consequences. Remainers have absolutely no responsibility to try to ‘make Brexit work’ or to ‘get behind Brexit’ (whatever those things would mean in practice). LINK
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 31, 2019 8:48:04 GMT
What a stupid article. Tech investment is at the highest level in years.
"During the Referendum, Bremainers offered a political message which took a traditional and familiar form: if you vote for the then instantaneous economic and societal armageddon will follow."
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 31, 2019 8:49:19 GMT
Chris Gay, more like. "Figures released today (Wednesday 12 June) by the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) show despite the increasingly uncertain global economic environment, the UK has retained its position as the top destination in Europe for foreign direct investment (FDI). Inward investment stock into the UK by the end of 2018 was worth $1.89 trillion (£1.48 trillion), more than Germany ($939 billion) and France ($825 billion) combined." www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-holds-more-foreign-investment-than-germany-and-france-combined
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