So what's Brexit really about?

[perrykneeham]

mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2019/08/28/uk-continues-to-be-a-trailblazer-in-tech-and-creativity/

[whitewine]

Brilliant article, and you changing the wording to suit your opinion, what a larf!

[perrykneeham]

I didn't change the economic data though.

[whitewine]

We haven't left the EU yet, and leaving without a deal ,no-deal Brexit means the UK would leave the EU immediately on 31 October , and there would be no agreements in place,overnight the UK would leave the single market and customs union - arrangements designed to help trade between EU members by eliminating checks and tariffs (taxes on imports).

[perrykneeham]

Doesn't matter. Dawn etc. Doesn't seem to matter to the daft sod that wrote the article either.

[whitewine]

Aug 31, 2019 9:13:18 GMT perrykneeham said:

Doesn't matter. Dawn etc. Doesn't seem to matter to the daft sod that wrote the article either.

Oh dear, has it hit home ,that Brexiters OWN the consequences, and them alone.  Need a tissue?

[mids]

It's a pretty childish article. Xzhey seem more concerned with finger pointing. It also spectacularly misses the mark. They said Brexit would be easy, xzhey claim. Brexit hasn't happened yet and that's pretty much due to remainers fighting democracy tooth and nail to prevent it. I'm including May and most of her government in that. Now that Democratiers are in charge, things are actually happening, hence the even higher level of shrieking by the anti-democrats.

[perrykneeham]

Aug 31, 2019 9:18:48 GMT whitewine said:

Aug 31, 2019 9:13:18 GMT perrykneeham said:

Doesn't matter. Dawn etc. Doesn't seem to matter to the daft sod that wrote the article either.

Oh dear, has it hit home ,that Brexiters OWN the consequences, and them alone.  Need a tissue?

What are you gibbering about now?

[bertruss2]

David Cameron (remember him) thought a referendum would be won by Remain. He was wrong. The referendum was a cunning wheeze to get Brexiters to vote Tory and to appease Brexit-leaning Tory MPs. This is not democracy. Putting party political interest above that of the country is normal but not to this extent.

In our parliamentary democracy, parliament decides. Parliament decided to allow a referendum. Parliament decided to "respect the result" of what was an advisory referendum.

Triggering article 50 meant that the UK leaves according to EU rules. Obviously, since it is and still is, a member of the EU. What is stated in article 50 is that the EU 27 set out the terms of withdrawal with the agreement of the member state. That's been done. There's a Withdrawal Agreement between the UK and the EU 27. But Parliament is sovereign and has refused to accept the Agreement. The default position in Article 50 is that the EU 27 cancels UK membership. Unless there is a temporary extension of membership, as there has been --twice.

But the EU Court of Justice has ruled that there is another option. The withdrawing state can change its mind. The government can notify the EU Council that it wishes to remain. It's up to Parliament to decide.

For that to happen there has to be a second referendum, with a remain majority, or a change of government, or both. We'll see how it goes next week. If there is a prospect of the Withdrawal Agreement being passed or a decision to remain, the EU will grant a further extension to give Parliament time to sort itself out.

[perrykneeham]

Thanks for that meaningless twaddle, Bert.

[bertruss2]

Jeremy Corbyn, as leader of the largest opposition party, had a meeting in his office on Wednesday with other opponents of No-Deal Brexit, to co-ordinate the strategy to block the path to the expulsion of the UK from the EU on 31 October. Whether this results in the fall of the Johnson regime or not, remains to be seen.

[whitewine]

Decisions in the future is no longer about Brexit but it’s about survival of the Tory party. Selfish, self serving and self imposed. All the public can do is watch the mess unfold.

[bertruss2]

Former Tory prime minister, John Major and Gina Miller have brought a court case to stop the Tory government shutting down Parliament. The Queen is above the law, so the order for the shutdown she gave can't be challenged. But they are pinning their hopes on getting a judgement against the government for forcing the Queen to order the shutdown.

[perrykneeham]

Doubt it'll work.

[flatandy]

Aug 31, 2019 7:20:48 GMT perrykneeham said:

Cancelling democracy comes with it's own set of hassles.

Not actual hassles. Just whiny Brexiters.

[charmingnortherner]

Aug 31, 2019 10:00:17 GMT bertruss2 said:

David Cameron (remember him) thought a referendum would be won by Remain. He was wrong. The referendum was a cunning wheeze to get Brexiters to vote Tory and to appease Brexit-leaning Tory MPs. This is not democracy. Putting party political interest above that of the country is normal but not to this extent.

In our parliamentary democracy, parliament decides. Parliament decided to allow a referendum. Parliament decided to "respect the result" of what was an advisory referendum.

Triggering article 50 meant that the UK leaves according to EU rules. Obviously, since it is and still is, a member of the EU. What is stated in article 50 is that the EU 27 set out the terms of withdrawal with the agreement of the member state. That's been done. There's a Withdrawal Agreement between the UK and the EU 27. But Parliament is sovereign and has refused to accept the Agreement. The default position in Article 50 is that the EU 27 cancels UK membership. Unless there is a temporary extension of membership, as there has been --twice.

But the EU Court of Justice has ruled that there is another option. The withdrawing state can change its mind. The government can notify the EU Council that it wishes to remain. It's up to Parliament to decide.

For that to happen there has to be a second referendum, with a remain majority, or a change of government, or both. We'll see how it goes next week. If there is a prospect of the Withdrawal Agreement being passed or a decision to remain, the EU will grant a further extension to give Parliament time to sort itself out.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[bertruss2]

An unelected 'bureaucrat', is the power behind Brexit Boris. Boris is an opportunist who has seized on Brexit as his way into 10 Downing Street. But Dominic Cummings wields power with a purpose. He wants to break Britain to transform it into something that suits him better. He's serious about exploiting the ideological opportunity handed to him by the Brexit masses whom he manipulated so successfully, as director of the Vote Leave campaign.

Sonia Khan, Mr Javid’s chief media adviser, was led out of Number 10 by a police officer after being sacked by Dominic Cummings.
It emerged that the Chancellor had not been warned in advance that she was about to get her marching orders.
She was accused of leaking information about government strategy to her previous boss, Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, who is co-ordinating parliamentary moves to prevent a no-deal Brexit.
iNews The Essential Daily Briefing

[bertruss2]

Sajid Javid may be Chancellor of the Exchequer but he knows that he has to kow-tow to political strategist Cummings. This is the version of democracy that Brexiters have foisted on the British People.

Sajid Javid: relationship with PM is 'fantastic' despite aide's sacking

Chancellor refuses to discuss No 10’s sacking of his media adviser or his opinion of Dominic Cummings

He also insisted it was his decision to cancel his first major speech on the economy 24 hours before he had been expected to deliver it in Birmingham this week

Javid also backed the decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the Brexit deadline at the end of October.
He said: “It is quite usual this time of year; parliament goes into what’s called a conference recess and it doesn’t usually sit for some time in September and early October. It’s right because we are focusing on the people’s priorities.” (The Guardian)

[perrykneeham]

PM has adviser shockah!

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Aug 31, 2019 8:11:12 GMT whitewine said:

During the Referendum, Brexiters offered a political message which took a traditional and familiar form: if you vote for us then various (supposedly) good consequences will follow... [..........................................................]LINK

Brilliant article, to the point, and utterly true. Oh how Brexiters are now trying to blame just about everyone and everything for their almighty balls-up. Even Johnson's gearing-up to blame the EU when his planned No Deal comes to fruition end of October, vile and odious cunt that he is.