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Post by Repat Van on Sept 1, 2019 9:45:20 GMT
OK, so the UK won't mind uncontrolled immigration from Europe through Ireland? Realistically though what would be the point? Unless you mean from poorer EU nations? |
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Post by whitewine on Sept 1, 2019 10:39:28 GMT
The main point is, Northern Ireland are part of the UK, who didnt vote to leave the EU, whereas the Republic of Ireland will continue to be an EU member. The GFA was signed by many including the US,( think it was Clinton, not sure) to end thirty years of conflict between the two NI and the Republic of Ireland, which brought them together.
Regarding the border between to two, which is invisible at the moment, leaving without a deal, no deal Brexit means the EU are not going to let an EU member, the Republic of Ireland be put through the Tory governments "new laws" after the 31st October.
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 1, 2019 10:55:55 GMT
All the poor countries of the EU 27 have rich regions and the UK has poor regions. European citizens moving from one part of the EU to another isn't immigration, except for statistical purposes. It's certainly not 'uncontrolled'. It's not controlled by bureaucrats. It's controlled by individuals who make decisions, based on their own circumstances, without being hampered by red tape.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2019 11:26:27 GMT
The main point is, Northern Ireland are part of the UK, who didnt vote to leave the EU, whereas the Republic of Ireland will continue to be an EU member. The GFA was signed by many including the US,( think it was Clinton, not sure) to end thirty years of conflict between the two NI and the Republic of Ireland, which brought them together. Regarding the border between to two, which is invisible at the moment, leaving without a deal, no deal Brexit means the EU are not going to let an EU member, the Republic of Ireland be put through the Tory governments "new laws" after the 31st October. A) how are they going to stop them? The border is UK's to defend if UK wants to. The rest of your post is riddled with silly inaccuracies. |
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Post by whitewine on Sept 1, 2019 11:32:11 GMT
The main point is, Northern Ireland are part of the UK, who didnt vote to leave the EU, whereas the Republic of Ireland will continue to be an EU member. The GFA was signed by many including the US,( think it was Clinton, not sure) to end thirty years of conflict between the two NI and the Republic of Ireland, which brought them together. Regarding the border between to two, which is invisible at the moment, leaving without a deal, no deal Brexit means the EU are not going to let an EU member, the Republic of Ireland be put through the Tory governments "new laws" after the 31st October. A) how are they going to stop them? The border is UK's to defend if UK wants to. The rest of your post is riddled with silly inaccuracies. Northern Ireland will no longer be a heavily subsidised gateway to Europe (as in EU), and the Republic of Ireland will be no tax-friendly gateway to the UK market either. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2019 11:48:11 GMT
No bad thing then.
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Post by Repat Van on Sept 1, 2019 12:02:13 GMT
All the poor countries of the EU 27 have rich regions and the UK has poor regions. European citizens moving from one part of the EU to another isn't immigration, except for statistical purposes. It's certainly not 'uncontrolled'. It's not controlled by bureaucrats. It's controlled by individuals who make decisions, based on their own circumstances, without being hampered by red tape. “NATIONS”. “European citizens moving from one part of the EU to another isn't immigration” And yet the term “EU migration” exists. Be quiet Bert. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 12:32:05 GMT
OK, so the UK won't mind uncontrolled immigration from Europe through Ireland? Realistically though what would be the point? Unless you mean from poorer EU nations? The point of what? My point was that the main issue for many of those voting Brexit was the potential to be able to control immigration to the UK. A borderless Ireland after Brexit would defeat this. So the UK would have to put up a border in defiance of the GFA - which equals a return to violence. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2019 12:33:42 GMT
Link?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 12:34:23 GMT
To what?
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2019 12:39:23 GMT
The return to violence.
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Post by whitewine on Sept 1, 2019 12:44:59 GMT
What you need to remember is that, its been almost two years since devolved government in Northern Ireland collapsed.
Before then, they were in talks with London and Dublin will share data to stop migrants using Irish border as backdoor into Britain.
That was long before Bonkers Boris came into power.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2019 12:58:10 GMT
Not a problem with a hard border.
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Post by whitewine on Sept 1, 2019 13:12:24 GMT
The Sun has learned that Mr Johnson is ready to propose a new bilateral deal between London and Dublin to act as a bridge until stand-off border checks - dubbed ‘alternative arrangements’ – are ready. Under the new idea, Ireland would win a special dispensation from Brussels to diverge from EU rules temporarily so it can stay aligned with the UK. In turn, the London government would agree a common rule book on goods and standards with Dublin while the temporary arrangement lasts. But the plan risks infuriating Irish politicians, who risked being accused of being dependent on Britain again, almost 100 years after Irish independence. LINK |
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Post by charmingnortherner on Sept 1, 2019 14:03:53 GMT
The Sun has learned that Mr Johnson is ready to propose a new bilateral deal between London and Dublin to act as a bridge until stand-off border checks - dubbed ‘alternative arrangements’ – are ready. Under the new idea, Ireland would win a special dispensation from Brussels to diverge from EU rules temporarily so it can stay aligned with the UK. In turn, the London government would agree a common rule book on goods and standards with Dublin while the temporary arrangement lasts. But the plan risks infuriating Irish politicians, who risked being accused of being dependent on Britain again, almost 100 years after Irish independence. LINKThey are dependent on us for trade and allowing them to come and go and use our NHS and other services. That and their pikey fvcking scum we have to indulge. |
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Post by charmingnortherner on Sept 1, 2019 14:06:14 GMT
What you need to remember is that, its been almost two years since devolved government in Northern Ireland collapsed. Before then, they were in talks with London and Dublin will share data to stop migrants using Irish border as backdoor into Britain. That was long before Bonkers Boris came into power. Why is he bonkers? We voted for him to sort the sh*t show remainers have left us in. Any ire should be directed at May and her cohorts like Hammond,<spits>. |
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Post by charmingnortherner on Sept 1, 2019 14:07:25 GMT
Realistically though what would be the point? Unless you mean from poorer EU nations? The point of what? My point was that the main issue for many of those voting Brexit was the potential to be able to control immigration to the UK. A borderless Ireland after Brexit would defeat this. So the UK would have to put up a border in defiance of the GFA - which equals a return to violence. You're such a dribbling loon for a fvcking expat. We don't give a flying fvck for your opinion. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 1, 2019 14:34:32 GMT
It's just a question of what people are used to saying. You wouldn't call somebody from Aberdeen an immigrant to London. They're UK citizens. You might call somebody moving from France to England an immigrant. Probably not if it's a multi-millionaire footballer. But he's a European citizen anyway. It's just convention.
Except when you want to track migration for statistical purposes. There are statistics about movements of people across the UK. It's needed for planning purposes. To estimate future trends for providing public services, for example.
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Post by whitewine on Sept 1, 2019 15:05:03 GMT
The Sun has learned that Mr Johnson is ready to propose a new bilateral deal between London and Dublin to act as a bridge until stand-off border checks - dubbed ‘alternative arrangements’ – are ready. Under the new idea, Ireland would win a special dispensation from Brussels to diverge from EU rules temporarily so it can stay aligned with the UK. In turn, the London government would agree a common rule book on goods and standards with Dublin while the temporary arrangement lasts. But the plan risks infuriating Irish politicians, who risked being accused of being dependent on Britain again, almost 100 years after Irish independence. LINKThey are dependent on us for trade and allowing them to come and go and use our NHS and other services. That and their pikey fvcking scum we have to indulge. You do know that Dublin is the capital of the Republic of Ireland, who happen to have their own health service HSE . |
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 1, 2019 16:18:25 GMT
Ireland is a much richer country than the UK, especially than the Northern Ireland part, so I expect the UK isn't such an attraction these days.
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