So what's Brexit really about?

[flatandy]

Conservatives: 289
Others: 350

Or 299 - 340 if you include the Duppers. Obviously it's time for a coalition of the non-deranged to sideline Boris for the next three years.

[flatandy]

The last time Ken Clarke wasn't a Tory MP was just after Germany knocked England out of the 1970 World Cup...

[voice]

Yes, a government of national unity to sort out the shambles left by Cameron/May/Johnson.

[flatandy]

I may not have mentioned it yet, so I will now:

Today has been utterly hilarious, and astonishingly inept. How many governments have literally sacked 20 of their MPs in order to remove their own majority? Even TMay didn't do that.

[bertruss2]

Sept 3, 2019 23:25:34 GMT flatandy said:

I may not have mentioned it yet, so I will now:

Today has been utterly hilarious, and astonishingly inept. How many governments have literally sacked 20 of their MPs in order to remove their own majority? Even TMay didn't do that.

This is a purge of 'traitors' in preparation for a general election. They'll be replaced by Johnson loyalist candidates. Whether it will work is another matter. It's a gamble.

[perrykneeham]

Excellent. Quislings booted out into the howling slipstream.

General Election now in which the Brexit vote will go to Honest Boris and the democratic Conservatives will be swept back into power with an unassailable majority and a confirmed democratic mandate.

[Deleted]

If there's an election we'll probably have another weak-majority government; either that or a Lib/Lab pact with a working majority, which, given Corbyn's inflexibility, is unlikely.

The only real answer to this ongoing shambles is another referendum, but a binding one, the choices being Remain or Out with no deal. A non-governmental coalition could now do this.

[perrykneeham]

Referendums won't work now. We've been told that parliament is sovereign, even when it won't be. Frankly, I would prefer an absolute monarchy or a dictator like say, Salazar.

[Deleted]

Here's the way for the governing majority to do it:

1) Bill to give vote to those ex-pats out of the country for more than 15 years the vote - as promised by the Tories over 3 years ago.

2) Binding In or Out with no deal referendum.

[mids]

Odd how none of the MPs who have howled about democracy and have left their parties are pushing for a bye election in their constituencies.

[mids]

Odd how those who have been shrieking about a coup for weeks have suddenly gone all coy about having an election.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 4, 2019 7:38:39 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

Here's the way for the governing majority to do it:

1) Bill to give vote to those ex-pats out of the country for more than 15 years the vote - as promised by the Tories over 3 years ago.

2) Binding In or Out with no deal referendum.

Won't work. Parliament is sovereign, even when they aren't.

[perrykneeham]

Labour won't back a GE now. Funny, that.

[moggyonspeed]

Johnson’s removing the whip from some of his MPs gives the lie, finally, to the notion of the Tory party as being a “broad church”.

288 bricks piled one on top of the other maybe, but a broad church? Never.

[mids]

All political parties have rules that usually take a dim view of MPs acting in other interests. No biggie. Of course, as believers in democracy, they'll all be pushing for by-elections in their constituencies. Won't they? I mean they were elected on a manifesto (as were almost all MPs) committed to leaving the EU so you'd imagine they'd want to put their new remain beliefs to the test with those who voted them in.

[mids]

Of course prorogation is legal. It's boringly normal.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49568760

[unclejunior]

Sept 4, 2019 9:42:00 GMT mids said:

Of course prorogation is legal. It's boringly normal.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49568760

Of course it is normal....
Don’t forget this as well as the MPs in the Hof P have....
pbs.twimg.com/media/EDknMasWsAA-_99?format=jpg&name=small

[unclejunior]

Nick Robinson interviewing Michael Howard. Howard raised the point that this is Parliament overriding the wishes of the electorate, he raised it twice, and twice Robinson completely ignored the point.

Brendan O’Neill raises the same point….
www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/03/today-was-a-very-dark-day-for-british-democracy/

‘Tonight’s vote by MPs to seize control of the parliamentary agenda in order to prevent a No Deal Brexit is not, as they claim, a wonderful assertion of parliamentary sovereignty against a dictatorial executive led by Boris Johnson.

No, it is an assertion of the political elite’s arrogant authority over the people. If MPs have seized power from anyone this evening, it is from us, the public, the millions who voted to leave the EU. This is not parliament vs the executive – this is parliament vs the people, and it opens up one of the greatest, most troublesome constitutional crises of modern times.’

[mids]

Scotland: protecting democracy since 1707.

[mids]

Brendan"Freedom" O'Neill.