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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 20:09:08 GMT
And that's just the Christians ....
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Post by mids on Oct 3, 2023 20:15:14 GMT
It's ironic that the left are the most religious people in existence. Their own thickos religion.
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 20:19:05 GMT
Zealous bigots. Still, leave 'em to it. They're harmless really.
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Post by flatandy on Oct 3, 2023 20:23:13 GMT
I wonder how many of them think that someone who's heart has failed but is kept alive using technology until the heart has recovered think that person has died and been resurrected? And how many of those think people who's heart temporarily stopped and who woke up having seen something indistinct think that those people went to heaven and came back again rather than just had a dream-like experience. |
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Post by voice on Oct 3, 2023 20:24:00 GMT
And yet everyone on them explained scientifically how stuff works, not a single one concluded 'oh, God did it'. Yet a good number of questions answered or discoveries made would all have been earlier ascribed to god. That's why all theists have left these days is the god of the gaps.
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Post by voice on Oct 3, 2023 20:25:35 GMT
I wonder how many of them think that someone who's heart has failed but is kept alive using technology until the heart has recovered think that person has died and been resurrected? And how many of those think people who's heart temporarily stopped and who woke up having seen something indistinct think that those people went to heaven and came back again rather than just had a dream-like experience. And what of those (the majority) who wake having experienced nothing but oblivion? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 20:28:07 GMT
Oh, none of them, I expect. Neither did I, but I thought I'd leave the analysis of the obvious flaws to our experts in end of life matters.
The reason people were prepared to accept that as evidence of afterlife is almost entirely related to stupidity and a desire to fill column inches.
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 20:30:11 GMT
And yet everyone on them explained scientifically how stuff works, not a single one concluded 'oh, God did it'. Yet a good number of questions answered or discoveries made would all have been earlier ascribed to god. That's why all theists have left these days is the god of the gaps. Pish. More adolescent simple-mindedness. It's quite possible for faith to exist outside explaining why stuff is and how it works. |
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Post by voice on Oct 3, 2023 20:39:10 GMT
Brilliant, having an imaginary friend is so mature while pointing out that not a single answer to things we previously couldn't understand ever ended with 'god did it' is adolescent.
Typicle response mind, it's never easy being confronted by things that strike at the foundation of belief
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 20:42:15 GMT
Who's talking about imaginary friends? You're still stuck in the shallow end still, I see.
I think it's pretty childish and irrational to pretend that science and reason are the sole preserve of enlightened atheists.
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Post by voice on Oct 3, 2023 20:46:35 GMT
Oh I see, you're arguing against something I've never said, I should have know really.
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Post by flatandy on Oct 3, 2023 20:48:23 GMT
And yet everyone on them explained scientifically how stuff works, not a single one concluded 'oh, God did it'. Yet a good number of questions answered or discoveries made would all have been earlier ascribed to god. That's why all theists have left these days is the god of the gaps. Pish. More adolescent simple-mindedness. It's quite possible for faith to exist outside explaining why stuff is and how it works. Agree. I think faith is totally redundant but in itself it's perfectly harmless and can be completely internally consistent and coherent. I do think it's worth fully separating faith and science. Once someone tries to use religion to explain the corporeal realm, or tries to use experiences in the corporeal realm as evidence for their religious belief, they are opening themslves to mockery |
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 20:52:22 GMT
It is always important to distinguish between faith and religious belief.
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Post by flatandy on Oct 3, 2023 21:02:23 GMT
That too. Fair enough. But neither need to have any relation to science nor vice versa. They can exist in parallel, entirely independently.
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Post by voice on Oct 3, 2023 21:05:21 GMT
So I'll try and simplify things you, I know you struggle and have to pretend you're so much more mature than us mere plebs, going back to what I said earlier, name one thing we didn't know before that we know now that is answered by 'god did it'
Also why a woman obviously kept alive and ultimately saved by the wonders of modern medicine is ascribed as a miracle of the divine. Or that a few people in comas or having near death visions means there's an afterlife when the majority experience only oblivion. No one is saying that proves no afterlife are they, yet it's the most common experience.
Theists are desperate to find proof for something fundamentaly unprovoked. And I don't know why, their belief does not rest on proof and their 'proof' is not gonna stand up to the critical mind. Science is religions biggest threat as it answers questions previously answered by god did it, but religion is no threat to science as it not succeeding in any new incite.
As I've said many times, you wanna belive in God's, dieties, tooth fries, sasquatch, go right ahead, hope it fills a void and makes you happy, but it's best treated like sex, perfectly fine in the privacy of your own home, but it has no place in the public sphere, policy and governance.
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 21:11:05 GMT
Again. Pish.
You clearly came to this conclusion very early on and have an evangelists deafness to anything other than your own creed. You're claiming that there has been some massive enlightenment that is some sort of philosophical a-bomb. There really hasn't, but you can keep on insisting if it makes you feel better.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Oct 3, 2023 21:12:10 GMT
I have no problem with anyone who professes a faith, where that faith does not cut across the laws and mores we have built here over the last few centuries. I do, however, draw the line when those of faith somehow hold sway over those who profess none. Take end-of-life issues, for example; many of the reasons why assisted dying is outlawed in the UK are largely based around objections to it from the various religious lobbies here, the real disappointment being that this means the religious lobby has helped to enact Laws that affect the irreligious. This is fundamentally wrong.
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 3, 2023 21:16:03 GMT
I have no problem with anyone who professes a faith, where that faith does not cut across the laws and mores we have built here over the last few centuries. I do, however, draw the line when those of faith somehow hold sway over those who profess none. Take end-of-life issues, for example; many of the reasons why assisted dying is outlawed in the UK are largely based around objections to it from the various religious lobbies here, the real disappointment being that this means the religious lobby has helped to enact Laws that affect the irreligious. This is fundamentally wrong. I tend to agree and would cheerfully see both the disestablishment of the Church of England and the removal of the Lords Spiritual. |
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Post by voice on Oct 3, 2023 21:36:35 GMT
Again. Pish. You clearly came to this conclusion very early on and have an evangelists deafness to anything other than your own creed. You're claiming that there has been some massive enlightenment that is some sort of philosophical a-bomb. There really hasn't, but you can keep on insisting if it makes you feel better. As expected, no answer to anything I asked and a response that, while very you, is hard to fathom in respects to anything I've been writing. I guess it's you being you, piss wind and bluster |
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 4, 2023 5:49:29 GMT
What do you want an answer to? State your question. Please make it grown-up and intelligible.
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