It's Come To This

[perrykneeham]

Yeah. I can't see what the problem is if it's intended respectfully and Pele approves.

[flatandy]

If that's actually the case, then you're immensely stupid.

Which I don't believe, so I think you're being deliberately disingenuous.

[perrykneeham]

Name the issue. Spell it out.

[flatandy]

I did. Previous page. 4th post down.

[flatandy]

Also, of course, if you're going to a football themed fancy-dress party, going as Pele is incredibly lame. That's like going as Bond to a spy themed party. Pick the absolutely most obvious candidate you can. You should do better.

Also, of course, if you think that blacking up is the thing that's going to make your fancy dress as Pele work, you live in a weird world where Pele's blackness is exceptional, as if he were one of a tiny number of black footballers.

That's before we get to the actual issue, which is that blacking up is racist. As explained and described many times previously on this board.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 18:50:31 GMT flatandy said:

I did. Previous page. 4th post down.

It's demonstrably not doing blackface though, is it?

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 18:53:55 GMT flatandy said:

Also, of course, if you're going to a football themed fancy-dress party, going as Pele is incredibly lame. That's like going as Bond to a spy themed party. Pick the absolutely most obvious candidate you can. You should do better.

Also, of course, if you think that blacking up is the thing that's going to make your fancy dress as Pele work, you live in a weird world where Pele's blackness is exceptional, as if he were one of a tiny number of black footballers.

That's before we get to the actual issue, which is that blacking up is racist. As explained and described many times previously on this board.

Smokescreen. Piffle.

[flatandy]

It is blackface. Blacking your face up is blackface. And is racist.

[perrykneeham]

No. You said blackface is minstrel mimicry. This is Pele praising.

You're all over the place here.

[flatandy]

So you can't understand basic concepts and are, in fact, a complete idiot?

[perrykneeham]

What basic concept? That blackface is not the same thing as putting on makeup?

[flatandy]

If you can't understand then you obviously are a complete moron.

[mids]

Kinnell, whatever you want to call it, it looks like Justin barely spent any time in whiteface. He blacked up so often, he can't remember how many times.  Did he spend his entire 20s as a black man?

"Canada's PM Justin Trudeau has said he cannot remember how often he wore blackface as a younger man, as a scandal deepened ahead of an election.



He was speaking after more images of him wearing black make-up when he was younger emerged"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49763805

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 22:08:48 GMT flatandy said:

If you can't understand then you obviously are a complete moron.

Shambles. It's like watching the German retreat from Russia.

[mids]

"We like to say peoplekind. That includes you coons too."

[flatandy]

I'll try one more time for Baloo, although I'm repeating what I said earlier but apparently he can't read:

Blacking up your face is blackface. Blackface is racist.

It's very simple.

Are you arguing that Trudeau wasn't being racist?

[rick49]

Sept 19, 2019 15:55:26 GMT flatandy said:

Well, you can start by not conflating racism and cultural appropriation. Then you can learn what cultural appropriation is. And finally you can learn the blackface in particular develops from minstrel shows which were explicitly racist and thus blackface has all kinds of racist connotations that don't exist when the situation is reversed.

But you've read all this already because it's been stated many, many times on these boards and millions more elsewhere. So either it's not worth my while explaining because you'll ignore it now as you ignored it before. Or you're actually incapable of understanding it, but I don't believe anybody is incapable of understanding it. Or you're being utterly disingenuous with the question.

"So either it's not worth my while explaining"

In other words, you do not have a logical explanation. If it's wrong for one ethnicity (whites) to dress and act like a person of another ethnicity, it's wrong for blacks to dress and act like white (or brown, or red, or yellow) characters. Plain and simple. No exceptions. Now Trudeau can grovel, pander, crawl on his belly, lick everyones feet in hopes of being forgiven until hell freezes over. I don't care about him.

[rick49]

Sept 19, 2019 16:44:14 GMT whitewine said:

Print out a life size photo of his face, and make a mask to wear, rather than using makeup on your face.

Still blackface. You would be pretending to be someone outside of your racial pigeonhole.

[Marshall]

Shouldn't there be a difference in putting on blackface to ridicule black people and putting it on to impersonate/mimic a particular person who happens to be black?
Or is that simply asking too much?

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 22:58:20 GMT flatandy said:

I'll try one more time for Baloo, although I'm repeating what I said earlier but apparently he can't read:

Blacking up your face is blackface. Blackface is racist.

It's very simple.

Are you arguing that Trudeau wasn't being racist?

So all blacking up of faces is racist, whether it's minstrelly or not? Is that your fixed view?