NHS

[ootlg]

I remember when the war was on in the Balkans and we were flooded with Kosovan refugees: you couldn't get into the surgery for the queues of refugees demanding their free treatment. The young blokes used to stand outside harassing female passers-by.

[flatandy]

May 23, 2022 6:46:50 GMT perrykneeham said:

White elephant, for decades.

But enough about the Tory Party…

[Repat Van]

May 23, 2022 8:19:50 GMT ootlg said:

The more you nurture some people the more demanding they get. There has to be a compromise, like paying to see a doctor maybe?

My Drs surgery here has decided to charge for appointments.

The motherf*ckers.

[Repat Van]

May 23, 2022 8:09:07 GMT ootlg said:

The NHS was supposed to be a subsidised entity designed to provide good free healthcare. The other main problem (nowadays) apart from excess management is abuse of the system: a large percentage of those who seek treatment do't actually need to see a doctor. Runny noses, bad backs, sick notes for malingerers, opiate freaks, and a whole swathe of hypochondriacs are responsible for massive waste.

You don’t think those suffering back issues should seek doctor’s treatment to make sure it’s nothing serious?

What nonsense. And Opiod addiction is not an issue? No turning up for sick bots for workplaces that require it?

You sir, are a moron.

[Repat Van]

May 23, 2022 8:12:11 GMT mids said:

When it was first founded, it was thought that the NHS would need less and less investment over the years as the nation became healthier.

It was pretty stupid to think that what with an increasing and ageing population and scientific advances rendering treatments more expensive.

[mids]

Well it was a Labour plan.

[ootlg]

May 23, 2022 11:16:12 GMT Repat Van said:

May 23, 2022 8:09:07 GMT ootlg said:

The NHS was supposed to be a subsidised entity designed to provide good free healthcare. The other main problem (nowadays) apart from excess management is abuse of the system: a large percentage of those who seek treatment do't actually need to see a doctor. Runny noses, bad backs, sick notes for malingerers, opiate freaks, and a whole swathe of hypochondriacs are responsible for massive waste.

You don’t think those suffering back issues should seek doctor’s treatment to make sure it’s nothing serious?

What nonsense. And Opiod addiction is not an issue? No turning up for sick bots for workplaces that require it?

You sir, are a moron.

Thank you.

[perrykneeham]

"The NHS is "riddled with racism", the chair of the British Medical Association's council has told the BBC.

Dr Chaand Nagpaul has spoken out in response to a survey by the BMA, shared exclusively with BBC News."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60208523

Riddled.

I don't actually believe this, but Voice may have some usefulninsight.

The BMA is a powerful, self-serving and thoroughly wicked closed shop trade union. It is, I suspect, the main reason that the NHS delivers so little for such massive investment.

[wetkingcanute]

well this is anecdotal of course - but as you know I've been using the NHS a lot over the last six months. And this doesn't seem right.

The staff on the wards - a very large selection of several races - all seem to get on very well and are one of the only parts of the NHS that works well...and works hard.

[ootlg]

A close friend is a surgeon in the NHS and he tells me constantly how much the staff of all nationalities and origins are appreciated. "Without them I don't know how we'd manage."

The article, or the plaintiff, is shite.

[mids]

I'm based in a big hospital. There's a flag they sometimes fly that says something about 80 nationalities working in the hospital. I'm not sure why that's being trumpeted.

[perrykneeham]

Or how they've found the money for flags

[flatandy]

Jun 15, 2022 8:44:29 GMT mids said:

I'm based in a big hospital. There's a flag they sometimes fly that says something about 80 nationalities working in the hospital. I'm not sure why that's being trumpeted.

I think either they want to point out how lazy and useless British people are, or they want to highlight how they’re contributing to brain-drains and therefore poor medical conditions in foreign countries.

[flatandy]

Jun 15, 2022 7:14:57 GMT perrykneeham said:

"The NHS is "riddled with racism", the chair of the British Medical Association's council has told the BBC.

Dr Chaand Nagpaul has spoken out in response to a survey by the BMA, shared exclusively with BBC News."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60208523

Riddled.

I don't actually believe this, but Voice may have some usefulninsight.

The BMA is a powerful, self-serving and thoroughly wicked closed shop trade union. It is, I suspect, the main reason that the NHS delivers so little for such massive investment.

Having read the article, I’m actually a bit surprised. Seeing Baloo’s headline that the NHS is riddled with racism, I assumed that it was going to be about racism in delivery of health outcomes. Which I wouldn’t be at all surprised about. If we discovered that it treated rich white men better than poor black women there would be no shock. If we discovered that it focused on the kinds of diseases that policymakers and the people who write letters to the Daily Telegraph get, but not on the health problems that tend to have more impact on minorities, then I don’t think anyone would be falling out of their chairs in surprise.

But I am not so convinced about racism in the NHS. I do believe that a lot of non-white NHS staff will probably get racist comments from their patients, given that I’ve heard enough whingeing and whining about how someone’s GP “can hardly be understood” because they have an accent. But, again, that’s not the NHS being racist towards its own staff.

[perrykneeham]

Yeah, that was the conclusion I came to. It was slightly irking that the complaint clearly sought to conflate the two.

Also, the example given was funny: an Asian doctor bellyaching about having been reported for professional incompetence. The charge was upheld.

[mids]

That's standard though, isn't it?

"Ethnic minority person, you've done a bad thing."

"Please accept my race card."

[voice]

Jun 15, 2022 7:14:57 GMT perrykneeham said:

"The NHS is "riddled with racism", the chair of the British Medical Association's council has told the BBC.

Dr Chaand Nagpaul has spoken out in response to a survey by the BMA, shared exclusively with BBC News."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60208523

Riddled.

I don't actually believe this, but Voice may have some usefulninsight.

The BMA is a powerful, self-serving and thoroughly wicked closed shop trade union. It is, I suspect, the main reason that the NHS delivers so little for such massive investment.

What a badly reported or done study, while its not surprising 75% of non-white staff are on the receiving end of racism from Joe public I doubt being non-white and experiencing racism from white Brits up to that level in the NHS will be any worse than being non-white in any other customer facing jobs, given the level of general racism in the UK. Though if only 17% experience racism from their employer or collogues, while just as unacceptable, I'd hazard a guess that given the diversity within the NHS it's far lower than in most other industries and its probably on the low side of what most non-white people experience when working for large organisations.

When I worked in the NHS I saw a lot of racism directed towards non-white staff by white patients, but little racism between staff or from management.

The BMA are a bunch of whiny cnuts mind.

[mids]

Jun 15, 2022 10:27:08 GMT flatandy said:

Jun 15, 2022 8:44:29 GMT mids said:

I'm based in a big hospital. There's a flag they sometimes fly that says something about 80 nationalities working in the hospital. I'm not sure why that's being trumpeted.

I think either they want to point out how lazy and useless British people are, or they want to highlight how they’re contributing to brain-drains and therefore poor medical conditions in foreign countries.

My observation is that most of the foreign types are the non-clinical staff. The maintenance staff seem to be mostly Eastern European, the health care assistants are a mixed bunch and the doctors and nurses are largely of a European hue, with a light smattering of Asians and Middle Easterns.

[mids]

The BMA are a union whom the BBC treat as if they're a scientific body.

[moggyonspeed]

Outcomes in NHS care can indeed be race-based, one contributory factor being that some complaints are also race-based. For example, the incidence of sickle cell in white leafy Oxfordshire is as nothing compared to that in BME urban Brixton, so to compare outcomes for these is, at best, problematical. Overlay that with variations in Trust management, clinical commissioning, funding, demographics etc. etc., and comparisons become even more difficult, not easier.

In a sense, I hope that they’re talking about Health as employer rather than as outcomes, because I for one would struggle with how they come to such a radical conclusion.