Hahahaha the Guardian

[Repat Van]

May 30, 2022 8:02:56 GMT mids said:

Brilliant! This article has really, really, really bothered you. Dimly, you perceive that it seems contrary to all that you've been told to think about transy stuff. This confuses and upsets you although you don't quite understand why.

Go back under your bridge.

[Repat Van]

May 30, 2022 8:35:37 GMT mids said:

"But plenty of people date interracially specifically for racist reasons."

Name them.

Everytime I think you have reached the limits of expressing just how breathtakingly stupid and ignorant of the world you are…you go on to have another “hold my beer” moment.

One such example:

nnedv.org/latest_update/stereotypes-asian-women/

“ Far from harmless, this hypersexualized narrative leads to sexual objectification and violence. The everyday racism and sexism against Asian women yields deadly results, as this dehumanization creates a climate that makes violence excusable: 41 to 61 percent of Asian women report experiencing physical and/or sexual violence by an intimate partner during their lifetime. [4] This is significantly higher than any other ethnic group. [5]”

Here do some reading thicko:

www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2021/02/07/what-is-fetishization-and-how-does-it-contribute-to-racism/?sh=d9345856e39a


“ In our quest to combat racism and oppression, we must look not only at the direct acts of bigotry but we must examine behaviors and actions that seem inconsequential and even affirmative, but that actually perpetuate stereotypes in insidious ways. One such example of that is fetishization. Fetishization can be thought of as the act of making someone an object of sexual desire based on some aspect of their identity. For Black, Indigenous, people of color (BIPOC) the fetishization of their race/ethnicity is not a new phenomenon. It is not uncommon for a person on social media to state their dating preferences, and while on the surface it may seem benign and even complimentary, often times these “preferences” can actually reinforce harmful stereotypes that are already held about different groups.”

[mids]

I couldn't access the first article but from your quote Asian women report more violence from their Asian husbands than women of other races do. The second article is some rambling, numbers-free nonsense about people who have a fetish partners from different races to them. Big deal.

[Repat Van]

May 30, 2022 9:17:16 GMT mids said:

I couldn't access the first article but from your quote Asian women report more violence from their Asian husbands than women of other races do. The second article is some rambling, numbers-free nonsense about people who have a fetish partners from different races to them. Big deal.

You should probably read the first article because it doesn’t say that in the slightest.

And for the second one that is you just your way of saying - yes you were wildly ignorant and would prefer to dismiss the work done on the issue of people who date interracially for racist reasons.

[perrykneeham]

It all sounds like pseudo-intellectual piffle.

[flatandy]

I don’t know why Mids is surprised that this article comes from the Guardian. The Guardian has jumped on the anti-trans bandwagon multiple times over the last few years.

I do wonder about the basis of that article. If there’s a trans woman who’s had hugely successful gender reassignment surgery and looks and sounds and behaves in a way that makes her completely indistinguishable from a cis woman, you’d have to wonder why a lesbian or a straight man would refuse to date her. It would clearly be a bigotry against what she is rather than who she is (assuming you weren’t just craving a babymomma). That seems to be obvious.

The awkward thing is that I don’t know if I’d be comfortable dating that trans woman. But that’s clearly based in irrational transphobia and would be like me refusing to date any black women just because of their blackness.

[perrykneeham]

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with the person, but the thought of connection with a bloke-turned-chick makes me queasy.

You'd know. Of course, you'd know.

[mids]

May 30, 2022 10:36:32 GMT flatandy said:

 But that’s clearly based in irrational transphobia and would be like me refusing to date any black women just because of their blackness.

It wouldn't though, would it. It would be like you refusing to date a white transracial woman- a woman who'd been assigned black at birth but had undergone race reassignment surgery and treatment in her 30s to become white. She'd have changed her name from L''oquens!hiiaa to Helen but you'd know that really, she's still black.

[Repat Van]

May 30, 2022 10:36:32 GMT flatandy said:

I don’t know why Mids is surprised that this article comes from the Guardian. The Guardian has jumped on the anti-trans bandwagon multiple times over the last few years.

I do wonder about the basis of that article. If there’s a trans woman who’s had hugely successful gender reassignment surgery and looks and sounds and behaves in a way that makes her completely indistinguishable from a cis woman, you’d have to wonder why a lesbian or a straight man would refuse to date her. It would clearly be a bigotry against what she is rather than who she is (assuming you weren’t just craving a babymomma). That seems to be obvious.

The awkward thing is that I don’t know if I’d be comfortable dating that trans woman. But that’s clearly based in irrational transphobia and would be like me refusing to date any black women just because of their blackness.

For me it’s very simple - if I like somebody, then I like them.

I cannot imagine saying “oh wow, this person is amazing, we’re compatible, I think they’re attractive it’s just a shame they’re X (unless “X” is “underaged” or “married”.)

[flatandy]

Yes. To be honest I don't know how I'd react if there was a really hot girl who wanted to date me.

[flatandy]

I mean...

I don't know how I'd react if there was a really hot trans girl who wanted to date me.

[moggyonspeed]

Perhaps go all Rajesh Koothrappali on her/sher/zher/<insert favourite pronoun here> ?

[flatandy]

I've no idea who or what that is.

Anyway, I hope that if I were single and a really hot trans bird wanted to date me, I'd be totally cool with it. That would be the right thing. But I just don't know if that would actually be how I'd react.

[mids]

You know you wouldn't and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Repat Van]

May 30, 2022 12:37:01 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Perhaps go all Rajesh Koothrappali on her/sher/zher/<insert favourite pronoun here> ?

I know it gets a lot of criticism but I love that show! 😄

[Repat Van]

May 30, 2022 12:57:48 GMT mids said:

You know you wouldn't and there's nothing wrong with that.

How can you possibly say “you know you wouldn’t”?

Plenty of trans women are in happy healthy relationships with straight men.

[mids]

How many?

[Repat Van]

May 30, 2022 14:43:26 GMT mids said:

How many?

17,682.

[mids]

0.000221025% of the world's population*. I see.



*assuming 8 billion.

[Repat Van]

Trans women are a tiny minority of the world’s population.