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Post by voice on Aug 19, 2020 18:59:51 GMT
Not sure how Joe and Jill met, but we do know how Don met Melania, he hit "add to cart"...
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2020 1:44:17 GMT
Not sure how Joe and Jill met, but we do know how Don met Melania, he hit "add to cart"... :D |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2020 1:46:46 GMT
Jill Biden seems like a genuinely good person. She'll make a great first lady. Of course she'll be an improvement over the current one if all she does is not show us her genitals. I think the US is really weirdly hung up on things like that. I don’t get why anybody cares the the “First Lady” has posed nude. It’s a strange thing to criticise her for. And it’s also sad that the people pushing this tend to be mostly on the progressive side. |
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Post by voice on Aug 20, 2020 17:04:00 GMT
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Post by Marshall on Aug 20, 2020 19:56:34 GMT
2016 Republican presidential hopeful John Kasich endorses the Democratic nominee. That's unusual. Also, Over 70 former Republican national security officials including ex-CIA and FBI chiefs will endorse Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Friday while launching a scathing indictment of President Donald Trump, calling him corrupt and unfit to serve.
The group, called Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden, includes some of the most senior Republican members of the U.S. defense and intelligence establishment to have served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump.
The 73-strong group includes retired General Michael Hayden, who served as national security director and head of the CIA; William Webster, the only man to serve as both head of the CIA and FBI; John Negroponte, the first director of National Intelligence; Michael Leiter, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center; and Mike Donley, former Air Force secretary.
“Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as president,” the group plans to declare in a full-page ad in The Wall Street Journal on Friday.www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5"No body likes me! Waaaaa!" |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2020 22:47:39 GMT
I thought white conservatives hated “cancel culture”? Can they make up their minds. |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2020 22:50:12 GMT
2016 Republican presidential hopeful John Kasich endorses the Democratic nominee. That's unusual. Also, Over 70 former Republican national security officials including ex-CIA and FBI chiefs will endorse Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Friday while launching a scathing indictment of President Donald Trump, calling him corrupt and unfit to serve.
The group, called Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden, includes some of the most senior Republican members of the U.S. defense and intelligence establishment to have served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump.
The 73-strong group includes retired General Michael Hayden, who served as national security director and head of the CIA; William Webster, the only man to serve as both head of the CIA and FBI; John Negroponte, the first director of National Intelligence; Michael Leiter, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center; and Mike Donley, former Air Force secretary.
“Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as president,” the group plans to declare in a full-page ad in The Wall Street Journal on Friday.www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5"No body likes me! Waaaaa!" This is incredible. Do you think though that it will have an impact? I am not in the US so cannot tell the mood but the hardcore Trumpers (like Rick and Jimbo) seem to be willing to support Trump no matter what. And there are a lot of Trumpers around. And Biden/Harris don’t appear to be a duo that inspire those who did not vote last time to come out and vote. |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2020 23:15:16 GMT
I think the US is really weirdly hung up on things like that. I don’t get why anybody cares the the “First Lady” has posed nude. It’s a strange thing to criticise her for. And it’s also sad that the people pushing this tend to be mostly on the progressive side. started with jackie kennedy. Jackie Kennedy posed nude? People being uptight about that wouldn’t surprise me given the time period. |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2020 23:17:55 GMT
And along he comes to perfectly illustrate the point...
(Seriously though, why does so many American conservatives not know what Communism is.)
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Post by voice on Aug 20, 2020 23:47:53 GMT
they aren't the sharpest tool in the box.
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Post by Marshall on Aug 21, 2020 0:01:36 GMT
They know. When you're so out of touch on the issues you have to employ scare tactics by making up ludicrous claims to sound relevant.
"If you don't outlaw abortion, eliminate all gun control, and deny people health insurance we'll descend into communism!!!"
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 21, 2020 0:25:51 GMT
They know. When you're so out of touch on the issues you have to employ scare tactics by making up ludicrous claims to sound relevant. "If you don't outlaw abortion, eliminate all gun control, and deny people health insurance we'll descend into communism!!!" I remember when I used to work in Oil and Gas. Having a conversation with some Texan expats and one told me I was a Communist for supporting gay marriage. |
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Post by Marshall on Aug 21, 2020 0:27:40 GMT
know whats amusing? the complaints from the donkeys that trump is destroying the country. well, the aim of the donkeys is to destroy the country because they sincerely believe the u.s. is the root of all evil,,,past, present, and future. it must be completely razed to the ground. thats why they won't stop the carnage in the cities under their jackboots. they must destroy the country and remake it in the image the USSR or communist china. so once again the left accuses others of doing what they want to do. You mean all the riots and looting and division since Trump has been in office, right? "The country has gone to hell in the last four years, elect me so I can fix the mess I created for you" is quite the campaign slogan. Thick as a brick. |
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Post by Marshall on Aug 21, 2020 0:32:30 GMT
I remember when I used to work in Oil and Gas. Having a conversation with some Texan expats and one told me I was a Communist for supporting gay marriage.
A long tradition of that in America. Throw the "communist" label at anything you disagree with when you're unable to debate the topic.
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Post by Marshall on Aug 21, 2020 0:41:36 GMT
With his fawning over dictators, eroding the separation of powers, and appointing people who Congress rejected as unfit, Trump is way more communist than people who want universal health insurance.
He's trying to destroy our democracy but none of that matters to you. Party over country, straight down the line.
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 21, 2020 1:33:46 GMT
I remember when I used to work in Oil and Gas. Having a conversation with some Texan expats and one told me I was a Communist for supporting gay marriage.
A long tradition of that in America. Throw the "communist" label at anything you disagree with when you're unable to debate the topic. This is why I don’t understand when some people want to talk about how “progressives” have lost the argument on Trump, Brexit etc. How do you talk to people like this? How do you you talk to people who insist that supporting two men being able to marry each other or even supporting Biden makes one an actual Communist? How do you talk to them? |
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Post by Marshall on Aug 21, 2020 2:47:55 GMT
He's trying to destroy our democracy but none of that matters to you. Party over country, straight down the line.you're projecting, comrade. Are you going to sit there and deny he did any of those things? Here's one of the commies rick is so scared of. This one happened to fight in WW2. |
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Post by voice on Aug 21, 2020 3:17:02 GMT
The country Rick is thinking of when he says Biden will destroy it is not the same country Trump is destroying, Rick and cult think America means white are first in America an America where abortion is illegal, an America where voting is only for those who agree with them, not an America where equal rights exist, where a woman has autonomy over her own body and where voting is free and fair.
So really he's kind of right, a democrat victory will hasten the end of the cults America and it frightens them, and really they know its inevitable, they've lost the majority and can now only hope to maintain their power through corruption and ending a meaningful democratic process.
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Post by unclejunior on Aug 21, 2020 10:42:54 GMT
Good article from Peggy Noonan in WSJ which neatly sums up where the two parties are at the moment...
Former President Barack Obama speaks at the virtual Democratic National Convention, Aug. 19.
PHOTO: POOL/REUTERS
To be fair in critiquing certain public events you have to be like a judge in the Olympics and factor in degree of difficulty. No one had ever done a Zoom convention before, so no one knew how to do it. Should there be a host each night? Should it be an earnest actress? Does that make us look shallow? Do we want to look shallow?
What hadn’t been done before was done rather poorly, with high schlock content. You got the impression no one creative or daring was authorized to be either. It has been compared to a telethon, an infomercial, and fundraising week on public television. Marianne Williamson said it was “like binge watching a Marriott commercial.” Mostly it was the Democratic Party talking to itself and playing to its base.
Missing was any hint of priorities or plans, of the meaning of the party or its intentions. They made the case against Donald Trump, and a case for Joe Biden as an essentially decent person. But they didn’t say what they’ll do. And this year that is key.
I’m not sure they’re sufficiently aware of two things. One is the number of people who don’t like Mr. Trump and will vote for him anyway. They don’t have to be talked into thinking he’s a bad character, they’re already on board.
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All summer I’ve been running into two kinds of people. One kind says, “That man is a living shame on our country and must be removed.” The other kind says very little. They don’t defend him. They say, “I can’t believe I may vote for him, but . . .” And always they explain it this way: “What the other guys are gonna do on taxes,” “What the other guys will do to my industry,” “What the Democrats will do to the economy.”
I’m getting the impression that for a lot of people, the ballot this fall won’t read “Trump vs. Biden” but “Trump vs. What the Other Guys Will Do.”
Do the Democrats understand how hunkered-down many people feel, psychologically and physically, after the past six months? If I asked this right now of a convention planner or participant I think they’d say, “Yes, people feel battered by systemic bias, inequality, and climate change.” And I’d say no, they’re afraid of foreclosures! They’re afraid of a second wave, no schools, more shutdowns, job losses and suddenly the supply lines break down this winter and there are food shortages.
When this is the context, what a great party plans to do couldn’t be more crucial.
To the speeches:
Barack Obama’s speech will stick in history; it won’t just slide away. No former president has ever publicly leveled anything like this criticism at a sitting successor: “I did hope, for the sake of our country, that Donald Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously, that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care. But he never did. For close to four years now, he has shown no interest in putting in the work.”
This is a former president calling the current one shallow and lazy. He also suggested he’s greedy and intellectually incapable. Unprecedented? Yes. Unjustified? No, alas. And I’m not seeing Trump supporters rise up in indignant defense. They know it’s true, too.
Kamala Harris achieved complete adequacy. I can’t remember anything she said without referring to notes, so she gets no quotes. She’s a natural performer of politics and good at acting out warmth and joy, but she did something that they’re all doing more and more, which involves a husky catch in the voice as if they’re so sincere, so moved by what they’re saying, that their throats constrict for a moment. Mr. Obama did it. Michelle Obama did it a lot. Panelists will soon do it on cable news. Please everyone, stop.
As for Mr. Biden, all his political life he’s tried to express himself in ways he thinks eloquent but that tend to be only long-winded. He chases a thought a long way, even when it’s a small one and not worth the hunt. All of this is part of his old-school way and is neither harmful nor helpful. But he had a strong, tight speech. He looked good, spoke crisply, maintained focus. The speech is going to do him some significant good. Though he didn’t make his plans and intentions clear.
Two small thoughts I’ll try not to chase too far:
First, Democratic Party professionals are funny about policy. They take it seriously but don’t think other people do. The past three decades they wound up thinking all politics is about glitz, emotion and compelling characters. Part of the reason they’re like this is they never thought Republicans were serious about policy, because if they were, they’d be Democrats. They find it hard to credit the importance of policy in the making of a party’s fortunes. They thought Republicans liked Reagan because he was handsome, and George H.W. Bush because he fought in the war. But their elections were policy victories. Charm and humor, stagecraft and showbiz matter, but they’re not everything. They’re not even half of everything.
Because boomer Democrats thought Republicans won on glitz, they got glitzy in return. It was the central Clintonian insight of 1992: We have to become actors, like the actors we seek to replace.
It only made politics worse and left Democrats unable to speak in public forums of the central point of politics: why you stand where you stand and what you intend to do.
(Fairness forces me to note that socialists love talking about policy, and so does Elizabeth Warren. And that Republican political operatives, as a class, are naturally hostile to the meaning of anything.)
Second, apart from the “We The People” gauziness, there was a nonstop hum of grievance at the convention. To show their ferocious sincerity in the struggle against America’s injustices, most of the speakers thought they had to beat the crap out of the country—over and over. Its sins: racism, sexism, bigotry, violence, xenophobia, being unwelcoming to immigrants. The charges, direct and indirect, never let up. Little love was expressed, little gratitude. Everyone was sort of overcoming being born here.
Even Mr. Obama, trying, in a spirit of fairness, to expand the circle of the aggrieved, spoke of “Irish and Italians and Asians and Latinos told: Go back where you come from. Jews and Catholics, Muslims and Skihs, made to feel suspect . . . black Americans chained and whipped and hanged. Spit on for trying to sit at lunch counters, beaten for trying to vote. . . . They knew how far the daily reality of America strayed from the myth.”
The cumulative effect of all this, especially for the young, would prompt an inevitable question: Why would anyone fight to save this place? Who needs it?
If I were 12 and watched, I’d wonder if I had a chance here. If I were 20, they’d have flooded me with unearned bitterness.
Injustice is real, history is bloody. But guys, do you ever think you’re overdoing it? Are you afraid that this is all you got? Is that why you don’t talk about policy?
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Post by flatandy on Aug 21, 2020 11:00:29 GMT
So really he's kind of right, a democrat victory will hasten the end of the cults America and it frightens them, and really they know its inevitable, they've lost the majority and can now only hope to maintain their power through corruption and ending a meaningful democratic process. It’s definitely worth remembering that they’ve lost the majority. Remember that the Republicans have won the most votes in a single solitary Presidential election since 1988 - and 2004 itself was a bit of an outlier special case. And they seem to be pinning their hopes again on an electoral college victory while winning a minority of the votes. And all this is despite massive continued attempts at voter suppression. They are a sad rump unpopular minority grouping who are doing all they can to try and desperately game the system to cling on to their power. |
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