Sports in the time of Covid

[flatandy]

I think it's a worthwhile gesture, as it happens. Also, it's not a "BLM" gesture. It's become a general anti-racism gesture. And it is saying to any racists in the audience that the people they purport to support don't share their views.

Apparently it still needs to be made clear to some people that racism isn't actually OK.

[flatandy]

Also worth noting that BLM is not racist and - in the broad sense of the phrase and campaign - thoroughly worthwhile.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

But BLM is simply an anti police process.

[wetkingcanute]

Ok no actual booing - how about everyone going "Durrr" and just rolling their eyes.

And no... it is not apparent that it needs to be made clear to some people that racism isn't actually OK.

The vast - and I mean the vast majority of football supporters do not thing racism is ok.

[flatandy]

Yet they still boo the anti-racists...

[mids]

Who's booing the booing supporters?

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Anyway, apparently, the football going public are supposed to appreciate the subtle nuances of this. Whilst BLM is strictly anti-police and therefore can't lift a finger to help black people, taking the knee has moved on from that and isn't associated with BLM at all at all at all but is about demonstrating how racist the working class are and why they shouldn't be allowed into football matches.
Conversely football matches are now there for middle class lefties to show their working class credentials by clapping the knee taking.

[mids]

Why won't the middle class lefties bend the knee before games? Are they racists?

[flatandy]

Taking the knee - as far as I can tell but you'll have to ask the players if I'm right - appears to have become a general statement of opposition to entrenched racism in society.

You wouldn't boo people showing their opposition to racism in society unless you want to preserve that racism.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Slightly the point isn't it.
You've disacossiated taking the knee from BLM but I don't know where that's officially transmitted.
As a general rule I couldn't tell you where taking the knee diverges from BLM from throwing Colston in the river.

[flatandy]

Well nothing is official anywhere given that BLM isn't an official organisation. It's basically just a hashtag. That a load of different groups have taken advantage of the existence of that hashtag can lead you down whatever rabbit hole you want to go down. Although at its face it's hard to wonder why anyone would have a problem with the basic statement that black lives matter.

Taking the knee, meanwhile, started with Colin Kaepernick and wasn't explicitly BLM when he did it. So it doesn't seem to be directly correlated 1:1. But if you want to ask why the England Marxists are taking the knee at football matches, you should ask them. But it seems to diverge from throwing a statue in a river because one is kneeling quietly and one is throwing a statue in a river.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

So it would appear you don't know
But you know enough to throw the racist card around anyway.
Anyway working class folk, racist every man jack of them. Best to ban them ban from footie. Prawn sandwiches, that's the way forward.

[flatandy]

Straw men galore there, dude.

You'll be surprised to learn that a lot of working class people weren't at the football match booing the players they were there to support. Whether the players were kneeling in support of BLM or in opposition to racism or whatever, it's still f**k**g stupid to boo them and fortunately over 99% of England's population, even its working class population, weren't at the match booing the players.

[perrykneeham]

Can a hashtag collect tens of millions of dollars in a bank account?

Just askin'.

[perrykneeham]

FA has opened up a very interesting rabbit hole here: how reliable is wiki? There was a time when wiki had to be taken with a pinch of salt but I think we've all come to regard it as peer-reviewed an pretty Kosher. AND YET, I think it's pretty difficult to square Wiki's summary of BLM's organisation with what we know, largely through what BLM are happy to say about themselves. FA himself was happy to parrot a line about BLM being nothing more than a hashtag and yet - laughably - he and we know this can't possibly be the case. And yet, there it is. Wiki seem powerless to fight the accepted wisdom here although I did detect a certain sarcasm in their tone.

Interesting, isn't it?

[voice]

'I choose to boo because I'm against the Marxist ideology that literally no one on the pitch is advocating' says idiot.

[flatandy]

Or it could be, just possibly be, that you've been wrong all along in identifying it as a single unitary organisation? And that "what BLM say about themselves" is actually loads of different contradictory things because there isn't a single, top down, unitary BLM organisation run from BLM towers.

[mids]

Just like Al Qaida.

[perrykneeham]

Who keeps tabs on the cash then?

BLM Inc.?

[voice]

It's convenient for the hard of thinkers to try and say those pushing the idea that black lives are worth just as much any other and that police really shouldn't be executing so many in the street as one single unitary organization. Makes their straw men so much easier to construct.

As for the race card as one said earlier, that also a convenient way of dismissing their racism, cos we all know it's worse being called a racist. Though really if you dislike being called one, just stop being one. Not hard.