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Post by flatandy on Jun 13, 2020 0:14:15 GMT
So you think LA's school police department needed a tank, and taking it away is just the actions of the super-woke?
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 13, 2020 3:12:33 GMT
Only in America  Holy Jesus f**k America is wild. Why do schools need that? |
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Post by jimboky on Jun 13, 2020 3:19:40 GMT
it was surplus, one that the military was going to scrap out, more cost efficient to get this than to buy one new that would just serve your needs, you know that is just a bus, right?
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 13, 2020 3:31:53 GMT
This is why Americans are wild. School funding prioritisation is just...odd. www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/19/california-school-funding-los-angeles-strike-what-went-wrong“ California once had one of the best funded, most envied public education systems in the United States. Now schoolteachers in Los Angeles, who went on strike this week to vent years of frustration, say they struggle with overcrowded classrooms and children whose need for academic support, psychological services and English-language coaching outstrips anything they can provide. Many schools do not have a full-time nurse or counselor. In many of the poorer neighborhoods – in south LA, or the north-eastern San Fernando Valley – the library opens rarely. Janitorial service has become so spotty that some teachers have resorted to buying their own cleaning supplies and going over their own classrooms with rags and a mop at the end of a long day.” |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 13, 2020 3:35:56 GMT
Yes. Before you ask, yes. The school department does have its own police force. And, yes, that police force has a tank, and did have grenade launchers. Can one of the critics of the various defund the police groups explain why a school’s police force (!!) needs tanks and grenade launchers and why that money cannot go elsewhere. |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 13, 2020 4:18:53 GMT
it was surplus, one that the military was going to scrap out, more cost efficient to get this than to buy one new that would just serve your needs, you know that is just a bus, right? It's not "just a bus". If that's what you see every day as a pupil you will not behave like it's a normal world. And if the police think this is appropriate for policing schools, then they're going to behave differently than if they were equipped like the UK police are. |
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Post by mids on Jun 13, 2020 5:46:26 GMT
Why is it the extreme, far left want to completely abolish the police? Remind me?
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 13, 2020 6:21:45 GMT
Only in America Holy Jesus f**k America is wild. Why do schools need that? I guess that the point of the MRAP is to get police teams into areas that they suspect might be booby-trapped with IEDs. When is that ever going to happen, you might ask? Well, they weren't expecting the devastating use of IEDs in Iraq, Afghanistan etc and there will be plenty police and villains who will remember that well. Remember the much-vaunted Hummmer? It became obsolete overnight. Relegated to donut runs inside the wire. Like most MRAPs, it probably has poor resistance to gunfire. Blast protection is very different to ballistic protection. The Met have a couple of similar vehicles. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 13, 2020 6:25:12 GMT
Also, they can probably be picked up dirt cheap. Notice the colour scheme.
Also, lots of panicky stopgap vehicles were developed and quickly were found to be inadequate. A few became class leaders. Mastiffs, Huskies etc.
Navistar make good kit.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 13, 2020 6:40:10 GMT
Holy Jesus f**k America is wild. Why do schools need that? I guess that the point of the MRAP is to get police teams into areas that they suspect might be booby-trapped with IEDs. When is that ever going to happen, you might ask? Well, they weren't expecting the devastating use of IEDs in Iraq, Afghanistan etc and there will be plenty police and villains who will remember that well. Remember the much-vaunted Hummmer? It became obsolete overnight. Relegated to donut runs inside the wire. Like most MRAPs, it probably has poor resistance to gunfire. Blast protection is very different to ballistic protection. The Met have a couple of similar vehicles. Schools. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 13, 2020 6:49:31 GMT
Have you not noticed the number of mass-casualty events in American schools?
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 13, 2020 6:53:20 GMT
I guess that the problem with storming schools, or evacuating them, is that they tend to be rather open. You might need a battle bus to shuttle people across open ground.
Dunno, but I expect they paid sod all for them and frankly, they are just a vehicle: it's not like they're tanks.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 13, 2020 7:02:10 GMT
Have you not noticed the number of mass-casualty events in American schools? Tanks and grenade launchers for a mass shooter...? Ok. The militarisation of American society. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 13, 2020 7:47:43 GMT
They don't have tanks and they've given up grenade launchers. Of course, it seems a but mental, but there's a considerable amount of hysterical exaggerate here.
Tanks are just vehicles. Heavy, tracked vehicles. They have the advantages of mobility and a high degree of protection. They are also very useful for knocking down walls, just like a bulldozer. They are also plentiful, cheap and a bit of a game-changer. When we think of tanks, we think of armoured fighting vehicles like Sherman's, T-34s, Chieftains, M1A1 Abrams, Tigers, Leopards etc. They don't have that sort of thing, probably just old APCs or Pattons with the main gun removed and replaced with a ram.
Also, grenade launchers: they usually fire a common munitions which can be HE, CS gas, smoke or WP. I don't suppose Dibble's been issued with anything other than CS has.
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Post by mids on Jun 13, 2020 8:14:19 GMT
I'd have loved to have an old armoured car in the playground as a kid. Imagine climbing all over it and even inside it, pretending to shoot the guns? Brilliant.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 13, 2020 8:20:10 GMT
They don't have tanks and they've given up grenade launchers. Of course, it seems a but mental, but there's a considerable amount of hysterical exaggerate here. Tanks are just vehicles. Heavy, tracked vehicles. They have the advantages of mobility and a high degree of protection. They are also very useful for knocking down walls, just like a bulldozer. They are also plentiful, cheap and a bit of a game-changer. When we think of tanks, we think of armoured fighting vehicles like Sherman's, T-34s, Chieftains, M1A1 Abrams, Tigers, Leopards etc. They don't have that sort of thing, probably just old APCs or Pattons with the main gun removed and replaced with a ram. Also, grenade launchers: they usually fire a common munitions which can be HE, CS gas, smoke or WP. I don't suppose Dibble's been issued with anything other than CS has. Lots of words to justify schools having things they really don’t need. Libraries? who needs them. Counsellors? Why? Tanks? Yes please! |
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Post by mids on Jun 13, 2020 8:25:37 GMT
A lefty counsellor (they all are) is far, far, far more dangerous than a tank.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 13, 2020 8:28:16 GMT
They don't have tanks and they've given up grenade launchers. Of course, it seems a but mental, but there's a considerable amount of hysterical exaggerate here. Tanks are just vehicles. Heavy, tracked vehicles. They have the advantages of mobility and a high degree of protection. They are also very useful for knocking down walls, just like a bulldozer. They are also plentiful, cheap and a bit of a game-changer. When we think of tanks, we think of armoured fighting vehicles like Sherman's, T-34s, Chieftains, M1A1 Abrams, Tigers, Leopards etc. They don't have that sort of thing, probably just old APCs or Pattons with the main gun removed and replaced with a ram. Also, grenade launchers: they usually fire a common munitions which can be HE, CS gas, smoke or WP. I don't suppose Dibble's been issued with anything other than CS has. Lots of words to justify schools having things they really don’t need. Libraries? who needs them. Counsellors? Why? Tanks? Yes please! So, you can't make your point. No change there. |
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 13, 2020 8:33:39 GMT
As Baloo said, that is not a tank. It's an amoured vehicle with no offensive weaponry, which basically makes it a very heavy, inefficient and expensive to maintain minibus, in a school situation.
It does make me wonder who thinks they're necessary for schools but I'm guessing they'll largely just sit there, quietly rusting (the vehicles that is).
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 13, 2020 8:44:19 GMT
Yeah, I'm not sure that they're intended for everyday use. Emergencies only. And just so the bad guys know that they won't be able to stop Dibble with an assault rifle and 50 yards of open ground.
It's probably quite cost-effective in that respect. Van has missed the point as usual and opted for pious posturing in lieu of anything grown-up to say.
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