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Post by unclejunior on Jun 28, 2020 21:05:51 GMT
Bobby Moore,s statue looking over Wembley waywill be lucky to survive this season.....đ
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 29, 2020 0:08:10 GMT
There is a curious contradiction in this statement. Anyway if the U.K. desire to leave the EU was driven by the UKâs desire to keep people as property I would have zero issue with the EU invading us and forcing us to remain in the EU. What are you struggling with? States, like people, have a right to their sovereignty. Although, in fairness, that has limits. Maybe states, like people, have a right to their sovereignty, so long as they're not hurting anyone else. Playing the white man, as it were. Nobody is âstrugglingâ. Calm down man, nobody is attacking you. Untangle your knickers. I am not saying you are inconsistent - I am saying there is an inconsistency in the argument put forward by the Southern states and those pushing for state sovereignty. The inconsistency being that they constantly claim itâs about their freedom, but they were pushing for freedom in order to retain the right to own others as property. So they wanted freedom to suppress freedom. A curious inconsistency. Although as you put it âthey have the right to their sovereignty as long as they arenât hurting anyone elseâ. They fail that test. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 29, 2020 0:10:27 GMT
Airports having names that arenât simply the location of the report is bloody stupid imo. Just call it where it is. Nice and simple. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 29, 2020 0:13:51 GMT
You think itâs universities teaching students that police brutality is wrong? 1) I doubt it 2) Whatâs wrong with teaching that PB is wrong 3) If they are still teaching what they are required to then who cares about the additional stuff? |
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Post by voice on Jun 29, 2020 1:28:11 GMT
Tbf JW was a total white supremacist and a bit of an all round cnut by all accounts |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 29, 2020 3:01:10 GMT
Why does he need âthe Leftâ to call out rioters? Does he also need âthe Leftâ to call out paedophiles, pirates, human traffickers, those who do insider trading etc? |
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Post by voice on Jun 29, 2020 3:26:35 GMT
And remember the Right is always silent in the face of far right domestic terrorism m, almost all domestic terrorism in the us is from the right, yet utter silence from Rick and his lunatic propaganda sites
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Post by unclejunior on Jun 29, 2020 17:08:31 GMT
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Post by jimboky on Jun 29, 2020 19:35:31 GMT
in the year 2030 the history books will go all the way back to 2021, The USA will not have a history of over 200 years, the UK will not have a history of what? 1000 years? the world begins in 2021
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Post by flatandy on Jun 29, 2020 20:19:59 GMT
Uh-huh! I mean, all these things have been banned. You can't see Gone With The Wind any more. You can't read Dickens. Literally nobody knows who Abraham Lincoln was. There is no Washington Monument. Absolutely nobody is aware of Andrew Jackson and the Indian Removal Act. Nobody knows Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder. Nobody knows that Andrew Johnson totally screwed up reconstruction by appeasing the racists in the south. Nobody's heard of Winston Churchill, or read Huckleberry Finn. History has been erased!
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 30, 2020 1:08:05 GMT
I remember the first time I read Oliver Twist. The blatant anti-semitism (when I wasnât expecting it) was rather shocking. Another example of just how accepted anti-semitism was during that time. |
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Post by mids on Jun 30, 2020 6:45:26 GMT
Not to worry, the Labour Party will be out in their thousands defending the Dickens statues.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 30, 2020 22:17:38 GMT
It's funny how they have the stories of all those people that history has apparently erased.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 1, 2020 22:03:52 GMT
Did you know that Lincoln was a Republican? Not many people know that.
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Post by voice on Jul 1, 2020 23:55:33 GMT
This is a good piece
A true daughter of the confederacy has written what should be the last words on the monuments:
By Caroline Randall Williams
June 26, 2020
I have rape-colored skin. My light-brown-blackness is a living testament to the rules, the practices, the causes of the Old South.
If there are those who want to remember the legacy of the Confederacy, if they want monuments, well, then, my body is a monument. My skin is a monument.
Dead Confederates are honored all over this country â with cartoonish private statues, solemn public monuments and even in the names of United States Army bases. It fortifies and heartens me to witness the protests against this practice and the growing clamor from serious, nonpartisan public servants to redress it. But there are still those â like President Trumpand the Senate majority leader,Mitch McConnell â who cannot understand the difference between rewriting and reframing the past. I say it is not a matter of âairbrushingâ history, but of adding a new perspective.
I am a black, Southern woman, and of my immediate white male ancestors, all of them were rapists. My very existence is a relic of slavery and Jim Crow.
According to the rule of hypodescent (the social and legal practice of assigning a genetically mixed-race person to the race with less social power) I am the daughter of two black people, the granddaughter of four black people, the great-granddaughter of eight black people. Go back one more generation and it gets less straightforward, and more sinister. As far as family history has always told, and as modern DNA testing has allowed me to confirm, I am the descendant of black women who were domestic servants and white men who raped their help.
It is an extraordinary truth of my life that I am biologically more than half white, and yet I have no white people in my genealogy in living memory. No. Voluntary. Whiteness. I am more than half white, and none of it was consensual. White Southern men â my ancestors â took what they wanted from women they did not love, over whom they had extraordinary power, and then failed to claim their children.
What is a monument but a standing memory? An artifact to make tangible the truth of the past. My body and blood are a tangible truth of the South and its past. The black people I come from were owned by the white people I come from. The white people I come from fought and died for their Lost Cause. And I ask you now, who dares to tell me to celebrate them? Who dares to ask me to accept their mounted pedestals?
You cannot dismiss me as someone who doesnât understand. You cannot say it wasnât my family members who fought and died. My blackness does not put me on the other side of anything. It puts me squarely at the heart of the debate. I donât just come from the South. I come from Confederates. Iâve got rebel-gray blue blood coursing my veins. My great-grandfather Will was raised with the knowledge that Edmund Pettus was his father. Pettus, the storied Confederate general, the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, the man for whom Selmaâs Bloody Sunday Bridge is named. So I am not an outsider who makes these demands. I am a great-great-granddaughter.
And here Iâm called to say that there is much about the South that is precious to me. I do my best teaching and writing here. There is, however, a peculiar model of Southern pride that must now, at long last, be reckoned with.
This is not an ignorant pride but a defiant one. It is a pride that says, âOur history is rich, our causes are justified, our ancestors lie beyond reproach.â It is a pining for greatness, if you will, a wish again for a certain kind of American memory. A monument-worthy memory.
But hereâs the thing: Our ancestors donât deserve your unconditional pride. Yes, I am proud of every one of my black ancestors who survived slavery. They earned that pride, by any decent personâs reckoning. But I am not proud of the white ancestors whom I know, by virtue of my very existence, to be bad actors.
Among the apologists for the Southern cause and for its monuments, there are those who dismiss the hardships of the past. They imagine a world of benevolent masters, and speak with misty eyes of gentility and honor and the land. They deny plantation rape, or explain it away, or question the degree of frequency with which it occurred.
To those people it is my privilege to say, I am proof. I am proof that whatever else the South might have been, or might believe itself to be, it was and is a space whose prosperity and sense of romance and nostalgia were built upon the grievous exploitation of black life.
The dream version of the Old South never existed. Any manufactured monument to that time in that place tells half a truth at best. The ideas and ideals it purports to honor are not real. To those who have embraced these delusions: Now is the time to re-examine your position.
Either you have been blind to a truth that my bodyâs story forces you to see, or you really do mean to honor the oppressors at the expense of the oppressed, and you must at last acknowledge your emotional investment in a legacy of hate.
Either way, I say the monuments of stone and metal, the monuments of cloth and wood, all the man-made monuments, must come down. I defy any sentimental Southerner to defend our ancestors to me. I am quite literally made of the reasons to strip them of their laurels.
Caroline Randall Williams(@caroranwill) is the author of âLucy Negro, Reduxâ and âSoul Food Love,â and a writer in residence at Vanderbilt University.
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Post by voice on Jul 2, 2020 0:35:04 GMT
Read it again and tell me which bits are racist, and while your at it copy and paste the bit where she says monuments to abolitionist should be removed.
Though I'm not holding my breath, you're just an idit after all, and we both know you haven't actually read it so dont know what shes saying and have not idea if it's a screed racist or otherwise, you just feel the need to lie your ass off as usual, it's all you ever do.
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Post by voice on Jul 2, 2020 1:02:10 GMT
Ah I see, cos you're an idiot, you dont understand how a statement made in one context does not mean it's made in all contexts.
Try again, this time show me where she was racist.
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Post by voice on Jul 2, 2020 19:39:58 GMT
So as you've had almost an entire day to point out where she was being racist, are we to take it you simply didnt read her piece, fail to understand the bits you do, and just knee jerked some of the usual lies you like to tell.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 2, 2020 19:52:17 GMT
Isn't there a statue to Guy Gibson's dog outside an old RAF bomber station, somewhere in East Anglia?
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 2, 2020 19:53:48 GMT
Scampton?
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