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Post by voice on Jun 16, 2020 20:44:30 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 17, 2020 4:31:18 GMT
Add a plaque to add some historical perspective. "Robert E Lee, who led a traitorous revolt that killed over 700,000 of his fellow countrymen to defend the ownership of other human beings." :D I actually would love somebody suggest a bigger statue but with that as a plaque... |
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Post by redanchor1 on Jun 17, 2020 8:44:10 GMT
Only victims and victimhood to be memorialized? So 2020.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 17, 2020 13:24:18 GMT
Just because Lee lost doesn't mean he was a victim.
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Post by jimboky on Jun 17, 2020 13:50:35 GMT
What you think of Lee isn't the point, there are people who like, and dislike him, but none have the right to destroy statue, just like none have the right to destroy Grant's or Lincoln's these people were a part of history,
dictator want-to-bee's for some reason all seem to want to erase history, burn anything they disagree with in any way, books, movies, paintings statues, just destroy it all, guess they are afraid they will have to compete with it some day, should they ever really get power they don't want the future people to compare
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Post by flatandy on Jun 17, 2020 13:56:44 GMT
Just because someone's part of history, doesn't mean their statue gets to stand for ever.
Ozymandius, for example...
Also, nobody wants to erase history. In fact, everyone wants to remember the proper history: that, for example, Lee lead a treasonous revolt that led to over half a million of his countrymen dying. And then lost. And he did it so that his friends could own black people.
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Post by jimboky on Jun 17, 2020 14:48:58 GMT
Don't care, don't care at all what you think of Lee,
what you are saying is that unless you agree with the statue that you have the right/duty to destroy the thing, it would be like me saying I have the right/duty to destroy a MLK statue, or a Grant, or a King George, that would be lawlessness,,,, sorry, I think vandalism is the king of chicken-shitt
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Post by flatandy on Jun 17, 2020 15:22:27 GMT
I'm saying that learning history doesn't come from looking at triumphalist statues of anyone. But, even more, triumphalist statues of Loser Lee are actually erasing the true history: that he was a traitor who tried to destroy the nation, whose revolt led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, who tried to usurp the results of the 1860 election.
If we want to learn history from a statue, as Marshall says, the statue should be a broken Lee signing his surrender at Appomattox, surrounded by the corpses of the young, and surrounded by finally freed and emancipated slaves.
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Post by Marshall on Jun 17, 2020 16:39:35 GMT
Don't care, don't care at all what you think of Lee, what you are saying is that unless you agree with the statue that you have the right/duty to destroy the thing, it would be like me saying I have the right/duty to destroy a MLK statue, or a Grant, or a King George, that would be lawlessness,,,, sorry, I think vandalism is the king of chicken-shitt Not saying we should destroy it. We should replace it with a statue of Lee surrendering. That's much more historically informative than him sitting on a horse. And of course the flag behind him should not be the Confederate flag but a white one. You seem to want trophies for coming in 2nd place (out of two). |
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voice
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Post by voice on Jun 17, 2020 16:45:10 GMT
This is the best one  Surrender of a traitor |
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Post by Marshall on Jun 17, 2020 16:50:06 GMT
Would make a fine statue. And you'd learn something more than "hey look, Lee owned a horse".
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 17, 2020 17:57:51 GMT
Northern war of aggression. Victor's history.
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Post by Marshall on Jun 17, 2020 18:02:26 GMT
First shots of the war were fired by the South.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 17, 2020 18:07:22 GMT
Trespassers. No loss of life.
First fatalities? Friendly fire. Typical yanks.
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Post by Marshall on Jun 17, 2020 18:13:22 GMT
Trespassing in their own country? Not sure how that works.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 17, 2020 18:14:42 GMT
Commonwealth states, surely?
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Post by Marshall on Jun 17, 2020 18:17:31 GMT
Don't think so, not sure how that would apply anyway.
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Post by Marshall on Jun 17, 2020 18:26:36 GMT
I'm sure in the late 1770s there were King George III statues all around the eastern U.S. Don't see any these days, they probably got toppled.
So who won the American Revolutionary War again? I can't seem to find that information anywhere without those statues around dammit.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 17, 2020 18:27:58 GMT
I'm a bit vague on it myself TBH. I thought that the original commonwealth states were sovereign before acceeding to the union and then seceded. Much what like the Jocks want to do (please, get the f**k on with it if that's what you want.)
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Post by Marshall on Jun 17, 2020 22:39:27 GMT
"So who won the American Revolutionary War again? I can't seem to find that information anywhere without those statues around dammit." give them a little more time. Okay, let's see <checks watch> it's been 244 years so far. How much longer, they move even slower than Trump teetering down a 10 degree incline. |
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