Military AI vanquishes human fighter pilot in F-16 simulatio

[voice]

I'm in two minds about the risks of AI, we've had decades of books and films where AI's go rogue and kill us all, though we've had decades of books and films where AI is benign and a huge benefit.

I do think the fear of AI is a reflection of the human propensity to believe in the apocalypse/end of days/Ragnarock doomsday stuff that has permeated human societies since recorded times, barely a year goes by without predictions the world is about to end, often on a specific day, that its never happened has in no way dampened this doomsday stuff. Perhaps pessimism is easier to sell than optimism.

Anyway there are calls from some to end AI research in case they get smarter than us and realise we really are a bunch of idiots who are just fcuking up everything we touch.

www.bbc.com/news/technology-65110030

[ootlg]

I think rick's point was that science hasn't yet reached a state of perfection which is a fair observation. And many treat 'science' like a religion, the be all and end all of every conundrum life has to offer, and that simply isn't so. Science has its uses of course but as far as I've been able to see hasn't yet been able to work out why we're actually here, not how we're actually here, and I doubt very much if it ever will.

[voice]

I think anyone who thinks science can or is aiming for a state of perfection clearly does not understand science, same as those who claim science is a religion cos empiricists follow the evidence where ever it leads them again fail in their understanding of science. They confuse accepting the latest evidence with the acceptance faith brings to religious people, forgetting faith based systems are the antithesis of scientific ones where nothing is set in stone and changes often happen, sure somethings are pretty much unchanged for a while, E=MC2 still holds, but there is always a chance, based on new understanding, it could be tweaked or even overturned.

Oh and why we are hear is a meaningless question really, there could well be no real reason, if you accept evolution then we were lucky in the evolution game to develop higher brain functions sufficient to ask such a question, but I think the why is subjective and something we try to ascribe rather than something inherent.

[rick49]

I think that he was probably referring to nuclear proliferation rather than any theoretical risk of uncontrolled fission.

it was a generalized comment of how we take actions without thinking through the consequences of said action. just because we are capable of doing something doesn't mean we should/have to or must do it. ai is an example. another example is 'ooh we can split the atom, so lets make a bomb.' some things should just not be tinkered with. religious belief has nothing to do with it.

[perrykneeham]

I'm not convinced that you've fully followed the context of the development of nuclear weapons.

[flatandy]

AI currently isn’t AI. We haven’t yet needed to wonder whether we should with AI. It’s just trawling previous inputs from the internet to synthesise text output.

But yes, there are many things that have been done where, retrospectively society can realise that the consequences hadn’t been thought through. Burning fossil fuels, the replacement of good public transport networks of trains and trams and trolleys with highways, the creation of religion, and so on and so forth, can now be seen to be idiotic. But society as a whole doesn’t get to make these choices, and also isn’t necessarily able to know and calculate all the outcomes when it starts.

[rick49]

AI currently isn’t AI. We haven’t yet needed to wonder whether we should with AI.

famous last words- 'not to worry,,,we have everything under control.'

we shouldn't wait until ai becomes AI. at that point it will be too late to do anything about it.

[flatandy]

There’s no evidence they’d be able to actually make an AI, though.

[mids]

Aaaaiiii! Booyakasha!

[rick49]

history has shown that if we can do something we will do it.

[voice]

And yet for all we've done we've mostly got it right, though for every advancement made there is always the fearful who can't accept things change and are frightened by new things.

An internet bot such as ChatGPT is about as far from actual AI than a stone wheel is from a modern F1 car. And there is nothing to suggest if we ever do develop sentient machines/commuter systems its gonna end up like HAL or Sky Net, despite films and books playing into the fear of new tech some have, there is nothing to suggest we'd ever think of developing something like that, it's just as likely to end up like a Culture Mind or the benevolent AI's in the Polity than the AI in Terminator.

[rick49]

Mar 30, 2023 16:12:36 GMT flatandy said:

There’s no evidence they’d be able to actually make an AI, though.

not yet, perhaps. but we couldn't land people on the Moon, either,,,until we did. i remember the laughing and scoffing that we could go to the Moon early in the manned space program. "we don't have the technology" and "thats decades away" were common comments. it took us only ten years.. under ten years actually.

[rick49]

Mar 30, 2023 16:14:55 GMT mids said:

Aaaaiiii! Booyakasha!

primrose for thou to say

[rick49]

famous but uneducated hicks and luddites as they chew and spit their chaw of tobaccy.

"Stephen Hawking, Elon Musk and dozens of other top scientists and technology leaders have signed a letter warning of the potential dangers of developing artificial intelligence (AI)."
www.livescience.com/49419-artificial-intelligence-dangers-letter.html

[rick49]

Tech experts call for 6-month pause on AI development

"The letter warns of potential risks to society and humanity as tech giants such as Google and Microsoft race to build AI programs that can learn independently."
www.dw.com/en/tech-experts-call-for-6-month-pause-on-ai-development/a-65174081

more tobaccy chewen luddites.

[ootlg]

Mar 30, 2023 16:41:56 GMT rick49 said:

Mar 30, 2023 16:12:36 GMT flatandy said:

There’s no evidence they’d be able to actually make an AI, though.

not yet, perhaps. but we couldn't land people on the Moon, either,,,until we did. i remember the laughing and scoffing that we could go to the Moon early in the manned space program. "we don't have the technology" and "thats decades away" were common comments. it took us only ten years.. under ten years actually.

You don't really believe they went to the Moon?

[rick49]

we did.

[ootlg]

Nah - it's made of cheese. That was filmed in a desert somewhere.

[rick49]

swiss cheese, i hope.

[rick49]

ai robot granted citizenship in saudi arabia.

blogs.cuit.columbia.edu/jp3864/2018/12/04/how-human-is-ai-and-should-ai-be-granted-rights/