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Post by flatandy on Dec 9, 2020 21:44:06 GMT
Well, as you've defined anything that isn't a Belgian Congo style regime as "not racist" because they're not as racist as the Belgian Congo regime, you would think that.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 10, 2020 9:03:57 GMT
Well, as you've defined anything that isn't a Belgian Congo style regime as "not racist" because they're not as racist as the Belgian Congo regime, you would think that. You could always reply with a jot of evidence. there is that option. Anyway, Black hair matters: www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55222620Black hair code launched to tackle racial discrimination Black hair code launched to tackle racial discrimination Close A black hair code has been created by a group of campaigners to try and end discrimination against people from African and Caribbean backgrounds. Excellent |
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Post by mids on Dec 10, 2020 9:13:08 GMT
Rod Liddle. Nothing more need be said. "It is an enormous shame that the Millwall fans who booed their players for ‘taking a knee’ in support of Black Lives Matter last week were not better acquainted with one of the British BLM leaders, Sasha Johnson — they might have taken a knee themselves out of admiration. In August Ms Johnson tweeted: ‘The white man will not be our equal but our slave.’ If there is one thing Millwall supporters respect it’s aspiration, and Ms Johnson has that in abundance. I am sure the FA, the English Football League, and indeed the Millwall club board, who condemned the booing, all wish Sasha the best of luck in her exciting project. One voice should not be allowed to demean an entire movement, of course. The trouble is — and it is so tiresome to have to point this out every time the issue is raised — Ms Johnson’s views are not especially extreme in a foul organisation that wishes to dismantle capitalism and the family. Taking a knee signals support for the organisation, not for racial equality, and that is the end of the story. The football authorities and the broadcasters were very clear about this when football resumed in June after lockdown. Players would be asked to take a knee in support of Black Lives Matter, upper case, and the point was reinforced by players, commentators and pundits wearing Black Lives Matter badges. So Millwall’s assertion that taking a knee was in no way an endorsement of BLM’s political objectives, but simply a gesture in support of love, peace and happiness among all peoples, is deceitful, cowardly and ludicrous. It is like stretching out your right arm, shouting ‘Sieg Heil!’ and then telling onlookers: ‘It’s just a gesture — nothing to do with old Adolf, mate.’ Such a confected furore whipped up by the bed-wetting, obsessive liberal left and their useful halfwits in the media: Barney Ronay, Adrian Durham, the perennially smug Lineker. I knew there would be booing the minute I heard fans would be allowed into the fixture. Of course they would boo. They hate BLM and on that issue I’m with them. They have no problem with football’s Kick It Out campaign, which is genuinely and simply anti-racist. They have no problem whatsoever with black players and are delighted to vote a Muslim Comorian, Nadjim Abdou, player of the year twice. We had black players at Millwall long before most clubs, and black supporters on the terraces — including one or two very useful members of our highly regarded and psycho-pathically vicious ‘firm’ — back when Guardian editorial meetings were whiter than a Ku Klux Klan dinner dance. So cut out the hand-wringing, the lectures and the cant. Millwall fans booed the taking--a-knee business because they have no more time for BLM than they do for meaningless corporate virtue-signalling and they resent the fascistic insistence that everyone must bow down — literally, these days — before the empty and deluded attitudinising of the woke left. Four hours before kick-off on Saturday I read the following from a Millwall fan on the club’s largest supporters’ online forum. (If you are a Guardian reader I assume you think I’m about to translate the comments from the original Neanderthal grunts. No. Really, I don’t need to.) The poster addressed his remarks: ‘FAO: The Players.’ It had been made clear that Millwall players would take a knee and this troubled the supporter — who, like me, knew there would be booing and thus trouble. (Frankly, how the idiots who run the club didn’t work it out is an eternal mystery, not least because the press officer never answers his phone.) Anyway, this particular fan implored the players not to take the knee and added: "The whole BLM movement is insulting to many because it seeks to destroy our country’s values. I don’t mean nationalism or jingoism but the values that unite people across the political spectrum. A belief in the rule of law, free speech, respect for others and the social justice that many of our forebears had to fight for in the trade union movement. Your excuse for supporting this movement is an insult to our intelligence and an overtly political statement. It’s particularly damaging at this time when so many fans are suffering financial hardship that you couldn’t even begin to understand. By supporting BLM you are not healing divisions but creating them. I fear that your actions will cause not just a division between players and fans but a gulf of betrayal that will never be bridged. If you want to campaign against discrimination then please do so, but supporting BLM is the wrong way to do it." That is why the fans booed. Not because they are racists. It is why the fans booed at Colchester United too. And at West Ham, our despised rivals. It is why there was widespread booing at one of the first American ‘soccer’ games to which fans were admitted after lockdown in July, between FC Dallas and Nashville SC. It is quite possibly why the Premier League and the broadcasters quietly ditched their adherence when someone with half a brain cell pointed out what BLM stands for. It is why other clubs, such as QPR, Wigan Athletic and Middlesbrough, decided to stop taking the knee, before they were dragooned back into it. This is the thing: the hypocrisy of it all — the footballing authorities who themselves, rightly, ditched BLM becoming sanctimonious about fans booing a gesture in support of BLM. What do the British people think? An opinion poll for Mail Online in July found that 67 per cent supported Boris Johnson’s decision not to take a knee. Only 13 per cent thought he was wrong. And there you have our problem. On this issue, as on so many, we are dictated to by the shrieking 13 per cent." www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-the-booing-millwall-fans |
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Post by mids on Dec 10, 2020 9:14:32 GMT
"normalise protective hairstyles"
What the hell does that mean?
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Post by wetkingcanute on Dec 10, 2020 9:24:14 GMT
oh Dear god...I agree with Rod Liddle.
I blame BLM and I'm not being sarcastic - it is their fault. And all the purposely blind people who promote them.
and I agree with this Millwall fan:
"The whole BLM movement is insulting to many because it seeks to destroy our country’s values. I don’t mean nationalism or jingoism but the values that unite people across the political spectrum. A belief in the rule of law, free speech, respect for others and the social justice that many of our forebears had to fight for in the trade union movement.
Your excuse for supporting this movement is an insult to our intelligence and an overtly political statement. It’s particularly damaging at this time when so many fans are suffering financial hardship that you couldn’t even begin to understand. By supporting BLM you are not healing divisions but creating them. I fear that your actions will cause not just a division between players and fans but a gulf of betrayal that will never be bridged.
If you want to campaign against discrimination then please do so, but supporting BLM is the wrong way to do it."
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 10, 2020 9:29:44 GMT
Anyway, we are treading a well trodden path. Dissent is labelled as racist. That's it so people vote with their feet. it's how Brexit happened, how BJ happened and how Trump happened. The terraces will end up with a few beardy boys from dalston and that's it.
Once a clown always a clown.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 10, 2020 12:11:25 GMT
There is a whole lot of wilful and deliberate misinterpretation going on here. I’m sure among some people it’s genuine, but they have to be a minority.
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Post by rick49 on Dec 10, 2020 12:54:45 GMT
Well, as you've defined anything that isn't a Belgian Congo style regime as "not racist" because they're not as racist as the Belgian Congo regime, you would think that. You could always reply with a jot of evidence. there is that option. Anyway, Black hair matters: www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55222620Black hair code launched to tackle racial discrimination Black hair code launched to tackle racial discrimination Close A black hair code has been created by a group of campaigners to try and end discrimination against people from African and Caribbean backgrounds. Excellent "Schools and workplaces are being encouraged to sign up to the Halo code which supports students and staff to wear their Afro hair" oh, ffs. everything has to be racialized. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 10, 2020 14:40:22 GMT
I like the way there is BLM the movement, oft referred to as BLM, and BLM the political organisation, oft referred to as BLM who are clearly a bunch of racist C*nts, but he likes of the Millwall fans are guilty of wilful misinterpretation or conflating issues
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Post by flatandy on Dec 10, 2020 14:46:10 GMT
Thanks for proving my point
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Post by flatandy on Dec 10, 2020 14:52:25 GMT
There's a simple test:
(1) Do you think that black lives matter? As much as white lives? Should black people get the same opportunities as white people and expect to be treated equally by the authorities?
If your answer is yes, then you think that Black Lives Matter. This is good. If you don't think so, I think it's reasonable to judge you.
(2) Do you think that footballers who are kneeling before football matches are
(a) in favour of the idea in point (1)
or
(b) in favour of the people who piss on statues of Winston Churchill?
If you think the answer is (b), then you're clearly wilfully misinterpreting them.
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Post by mids on Dec 10, 2020 14:52:38 GMT
It's blm, isn't it? Or are they different from capital b, capital l, capital m? How many organisations are there?
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Post by mids on Dec 10, 2020 14:54:06 GMT
I think all lives matter. (except scum of course)
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Post by flatandy on Dec 10, 2020 14:55:15 GMT
Good. So you think Black Lives Matter, then.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 10, 2020 14:56:19 GMT
I think all lives matter. (except scum of course) And the lives of white blokes with dreads. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 10, 2020 14:56:26 GMT
There's a simple test: (1) Do you think that black lives matter? As much as white lives? Should black people get the same opportunities as white people and expect to be treated equally by the authorities? If your answer is yes, then you think that Black Lives Matter. This is good. If you don't think so, I think it's reasonable to judge you. (2) Do you think that footballers who are kneeling before football matches are (a) in favour of the idea in point (1) or (b) in favour of the people who piss on statues of Winston Churchill? If you think the answer is (b), then you're clearly wilfully misinterpreting them. So if I think that black lives matter then I'm supporting BLM and footballers kneeling don't support BLM? |
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Post by mids on Dec 10, 2020 14:57:15 GMT
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Post by flatandy on Dec 10, 2020 15:03:59 GMT
Do you think footballers taking a knee are doing so to show their support "marxists" who vandalise statues of Churchill?
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 10, 2020 15:09:09 GMT
Who do you think are conflating things?
BLM the political party or the Millwall supporters? Or do you think it was a wild coincidence they were called BLM?
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Post by voice on Dec 10, 2020 15:14:27 GMT
[quote author=" wetkingcanute" source="/post/659101/thread" timestamp="1607592254" and I agree with this Millwall fan: "The whole BLM movement is insulting to many because it seeks to destroy our country’s values. I don’t mean nationalism or jingoism but the values that unite people across the political spectrum. A belief in the rule of law, free speech, respect for others and the social justice that many of our forebears had to fight for in the trade union movement." [/quote] I'm not sure why thinking racial equality is against our countries values, then again for many it obviously is, otherwise why would they be so against others saying 'hey lets not be racist'? |
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