Black history month

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Dec 10, 2020 18:12:37 GMT flatandy said:

I don't care whether you endorse it. Although you probably should be concerned about how the white hetero patriarchy mistreats black queer people, whether you endorse it is neither here nor there to my question.

My question was: Do you think footballers endorse it? Do you think footballers are all politically engaged members of the activist left, focused on the black trans community?

But even that's going down an unnecessary rabbit hole. We are told by Millwall fans that they oppose taking the knee because they oppose the groups who piss on Churchill's statue. So really, you'd only be booing the footballers taking the knee if you believe that footballers - f**k**g footballers, generally thick as two short planks, right wing arseholes who believe they're self-made and want nobody taking their hard earned in tax footballers - are backing the "Marxists" who piss on Churchill.

Do you think footballers are backing the Marxists who piss on Churchill?

I've no idea whether footballers endorse it or not. you appear to be the expert. as far as i am aware the kneeling is all about BLM, it's plastered all over everything. That's the BLM wwebsite and the BLM organisation so i assume they are endorsing it or am I being willfully deceitful in thinking that people who kneel to support blm support blm?

or are they not supporting blm? maybe i've missed something. maybe they support PETA.

[perrykneeham]

Dec 10, 2020 18:15:43 GMT mids said:

She'd probably look decent if she smiled and wore a nice frock.

Maybe put on a bit of lippy.

[flatandy]

I think we have the answer, then. If you stopped to think for a moment you'd know perfectly well that footballers aren't a marxist collective who're upset about Churchill's shocking colonial legacy.

You're deliberately and willfully misunderstanding what's going on in order to perform feeling outraged at people just showing a bit of solidarity for the basic idea of racial equality.

[perrykneeham]

Is taking the knee a BLM thing or not?

[wetkingcanute]

andy -Have you read anything that's been written on this thread over the last 8 pages?

You're simply not making sense - you've never written so many non sequiturs.

[flatandy]

Is kneeling exclusive to BLM? Is Rodin's Thinker supporting BLM? Is everyone who prays in church supporting BLM? Are all the girls giving blowies right now supporting BLM?

[perrykneeham]

Oh dear. The end is nye, isn't it? Taking the knee is synonymous with BLM in the same way that the straight-armed salute is associated with Adolf.

[flatandy]

Dec 10, 2020 18:45:11 GMT perrykneeham said:

Oh dear. The end is nye, isn't it? Taking the knee is synonymous with BLM in the same way that the straight-armed salute is associated with Adolf.

No more blowies for baloo, then

[perrykneeham]

Leaving aside the obvious point that taking the knee and kneeling aren't the same thing. One represents submission and supplication before a greater power. The other is kneeling.

[perrykneeham]

Dec 10, 2020 18:47:02 GMT flatandy said:

Dec 10, 2020 18:45:11 GMT perrykneeham said:

Oh dear. The end is nye, isn't it? Taking the knee is synonymous with BLM in the same way that the straight-armed salute is associated with Adolf.

No more blowies for baloo, then

It's interesting that you would associate, say, a kneeling child with a nosh.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Dec 10, 2020 18:30:27 GMT flatandy said:

I think we have the answer, then. If you stopped to think for a moment you'd know perfectly well that footballers aren't a marxist collective who're upset about Churchill's shocking colonial legacy.

You're deliberately and willfully misunderstanding what's going on in order to perform feeling outraged at people just showing a bit of solidarity for the basic idea of racial equality.

Try and compose yourself.
I'm not outraged by footballers taking the knee. Also i'm not outraged by people booing them for doing that. I get tired of people racing around hanging out the racist card willy nilly and failing to back it up.
But to go back to the original point:

There is a whole lot of wilful and deliberate misinterpretation going on here. I’m sure among some people it’s genuine, but they have to be a minority.

well here we go:

from the FA:

In an unprecedented move, Premier League players from all 20 clubs united in solidarity with this message and the Premier League supported their request to replace their names on the back of playing shirts with ‘Black Lives Matter’ and then display the Black Lives Matter logo on their match shirts.

You think I'm conflating things when I link it with the Black Lives matter web site? Your contention is they aren't related? I'm deliberatley misinterpreting things? Footballers are too stupid to know what it stands for?


They stand for black lives matter but not Black Lives Matter or isn't there a difference, because you didn't seem to think so.

[flatandy]

Well, you linked to an old version of one BLM website. The current live one is this:

blacklivesmatter.com/

Now you seem to be conflating the Premiership from whatever division Millwall are in, as well as conflating kneeling before a match with the actions of a small group of rioters. Making the assumption that the former supports the latter when there's never been any evidence that it does.

[perrykneeham]

Taking the knee = one foot in the grave.

About as cool as a Frankie Says Relax tee-shirt.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Dec 10, 2020 20:19:35 GMT flatandy said:

Well, you linked to an old version of one BLM website. The current live one is this:

blacklivesmatter.com/

Now you seem to be conflating the Premiership from whatever division Millwall are in, as well as conflating kneeling before a match with the actions of a small group of rioters. Making the assumption that the former supports the latter when there's never been any evidence that it does.

That's your best shot?
Millwall aren't in the premiership so there taking the knee is different?
That's where we are at?

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

And just to be clear:

In addition to the video campaign, the League will support players who wish to ‘take a knee’ before or during matches in support of the Black Lives Matter message.

From the EFL

[flatandy]

No. I was just pointing out another error in your routine.

But, fundamentally, I keep asking you if you think that the players taking the knee are supporting the message that the Millwall fans say they oppose:



Do you really think that's why players are taking a knee? You think they're doing it to support anarchists and marxists and anti-semites? You think they're in favour of the tearing down of statues?

I think that the Millwall fans are projecting a false narrative on to the players so they have an excuse to boo a fairly simple expression of support for the idea that Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. Which is the Black Lives Matter message.

Do you oppose the message that "Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives"?

[rick49]

Dec 10, 2020 15:32:37 GMT flatandy said:

This is very good:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/10/populist-right-free-expression-taking-a-knee-left-snowflakes

He is fully aware that taking a knee isn’t owned by any organisation: it is an expression of solidarity that goes back decades, back to the US civil rights movement. But he is also aware that those provoked by the claims of minorities for equality and justice are desperate to clothe their resentment in respectability. It isn’t protests against racism in general they are opposed to, oh goodness no: just this particular protest.

the civil rights movement of the 1960's was a real movement, not the virtue signaling crap that is happening now.

[flatandy]

The right-wing in the 60s was so totally understanding of MLK and Malcolm X, and totally didn’t object to it. Yeah.

[perrykneeham]

Of course, if the players at Millwall are misguidedly taking the knee, unaware of the aims BLM, would it not be reasonable to make you disapproval known, much as if they were white players blacking up for, say, a tribute to Pele?

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Dec 10, 2020 23:09:24 GMT flatandy said:

No. I was just pointing out another error in your routine.

But, fundamentally, I keep asking you if you think that the players taking the knee are supporting the message that the Millwall fans say they oppose:



Do you really think that's why players are taking a knee? You think they're doing it to support anarchists and marxists and anti-semites? You think they're in favour of the tearing down of statues?

I think that the Millwall fans are projecting a false narrative on to the players so they have an excuse to boo a fairly simple expression of support for the idea that Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. Which is the Black Lives Matter message.

Do you oppose the message that "Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives"?

No, I don't have any objection to that message and I know of no-one who does.
however there is clearly more to the BLM movement than that.
Even on your airbrushed sanitised version of their websie they talk about ending white supremacy forever.

Which seems to me to leave three alternatives:
1. There are 2 versions of BLM. One the simple message that Black Lives matter supported by footballers and the other a quasi political movement with an extreme agenda. In which case my statement stands:

I like the way there is BLM the movement, oft referred to as BLM, and BLM the political organisation, oft referred to as BLM who are clearly a bunch of racist C*nts, but he likes of the Millwall fans are guilty of wilful misinterpretation or conflating issues

2. There is no distinction between the BLM as endorsed by footballers kneeling and the BLM of "We completely expect those who benefit directly and improperly from White supremacy to try and erase our existence." but the Footballers are unaware of the politics of BLM

3. The footballers are fully aware of BLM and it's politics and are endorsing it.

In none of those cases does it seem that Millwall are projecting a false narrative.