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Post by flatandy on Mar 22, 2021 11:53:04 GMT
TBF, from what I've seen written about it, the "Police and Crime Bill" looks like an absolutely f**k**g shocking crackdown on civil liberties. If a Labour Government had tried to bring that in, there'd be howls over outrage from the "libertarian" right in Britain.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 22, 2021 12:27:18 GMT
TBF, from what I've seen written about it, the "Police and Crime Bill" looks like an absolutely f**k**g shocking crackdown on civil liberties. If a Labour Government had tried to bring that in, there'd be howls over outrage from the "libertarian" right in Britain. The Right is ultra authoritarian though. Hence why they support it. |
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Post by voice on Mar 22, 2021 12:35:58 GMT
There's something wrong when damaging a statue gets you 10 years, yet rape gets you 6
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Post by flatandy on Mar 22, 2021 12:36:26 GMT
Oh, yeah. That's why "libertarian" is in "". They think of themselves as libertarian and in favour of freedom, but the reality is always that the freedom they're in favour of is an extremely limited freedom, mostly related to their own passions. It'll be "I want the freedom to own guns/impose christianity on others/smoke weed/have an unregulated sweatshop business", and because there's one or two things they want freedom for they think they're libertarians. Although scratch a millimeter below the surface and suddenly they want fascist jackboots on literally everything else.
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Post by voice on Mar 22, 2021 12:38:33 GMT
Its always been like that for the right though, this is little different.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Mar 22, 2021 12:51:29 GMT
Small riot in a local area of Bristol. £10,000.00 of improvements made.
I have no idea what the Police and Crime Bill entails - has it been published in the normal media - if so I ain't seen it.
It sounds bad - but what does it actually say?
Has anyone on this board read it or know what's in it?
You all seem to know what's in it.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 22, 2021 13:02:44 GMT
There's something wrong when damaging a statue gets you 10 years, yet rape gets you 6 I should say this surprises me - but it doesn’t. |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 22, 2021 13:24:38 GMT
Here you go, WKC. I've not read it, but everything I've read about it suggests a massive increase in police powers to prevent free assembly. I do know that - for example - Theresa May spoke against it in Parliament (before, being the idiot she is, then voting for it). publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0268/200268.pdf |
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Post by wetkingcanute on Mar 22, 2021 14:08:39 GMT
Well I've just finished reading the whole thing!
Police chiefs will be able to put more conditions on static protests.
They will be able to:
Impose a start and finish time
Set noise limits
Apply these rules to a demonstration by just one person
If they refuse to follow police directions over how they should conduct their protest, they could be fined up to £2,500.
It will also become a crime to fail to follow restrictions the protesters "ought" to have known about, even if they have not received a direct order from an officer.
At present, police need to prove protesters knew they had been told to move on, before they can be said to have broken the law.
The proposed law includes an offence of "intentionally or recklessly causing public nuisance".
This is designed to stop people occupying public spaces, hanging off bridges, gluing themselves to windows, or employing other protest tactics to make themselves both seen and heard.
One final measure clarifies that damage to memorials could lead to up to 10 years in prison. This follows the toppling of a statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol.
So, some of it 'Firm but fair' some of it really grim! Especially the statue bit - but I think that's just been played up by the BBC website for the fun of it.
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Post by ootlg on Mar 22, 2021 14:20:53 GMT
The PCSC Bill seeks to make the first major changes to the Public Order Act 1986 since 2003.
As drafted, the Bill represents a serious threat to the right to protest. The provisions threaten to neuter protests in ways that would render them ineffective – effectively taking away one of the only ways in which people can express their dissatisfaction in a democratic society.
The Bill renders the UK an outlier when it comes to international human rights norms around the right to peaceful assembly.
The Minister for Policing promised last summer in Parliament that the right to peaceful protest “will never be curtailed by this government”. However, this Bill attempts to do precisely that.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Mar 22, 2021 14:27:55 GMT
We all know this Bill hasn't gone through Parliament yet don't we.
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Post by ootlg on Mar 22, 2021 14:33:50 GMT
It's going to. Starmer's said Labour will vote for it. He's an asshole.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Mar 22, 2021 14:49:59 GMT
Democracy - dontcha just love it!
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Post by ootlg on Mar 22, 2021 15:00:12 GMT
Starmer's part of the coup that's happening as we speak, put in place to finally kill off opposition. The UK will be a totalitarian state in all but name within five years, but this isn't necessarily a negative - it depends what happens in the rest of the world.
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Post by mids on Mar 22, 2021 15:00:16 GMT
It should only apply to left wing protests.
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Post by ootlg on Mar 22, 2021 15:09:32 GMT
Yaxley-Lennon's OK then?
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Post by mids on Mar 22, 2021 15:55:14 GMT
Yoko-Ono?
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Post by unclejunior on Mar 22, 2021 15:58:15 GMT
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Post by flatandy on Mar 22, 2021 19:47:35 GMT
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Post by wetkingcanute on Mar 22, 2021 19:55:41 GMT
yes andy very funny but - you posted a joke - Mr. Fawkes posted what Labour MPs actually said.
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