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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 11:47:14 GMT
Thin end of the wedge, albeit this whole gender issue is transient and we'll all move on to the next bit of trendy, Poe-facery. I am pretty sure transgender people have been around for millennia. A number of cultures do not have a gender binary. |
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 11:49:00 GMT
We're almost at that stage with puberty blockers. Nobody has any idea about their long term effects but they're being prescribed willy-nilly. People are starting to question their use now. Re: long term effects. Isn’t that true for all medication when it first comes out? I mean when The Pill was first made available that would have been made available to women without knowing the long term effects (because we could not at that time). Ditto Covid vaccines now etc. Seems like a weird complaint. |
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Post by mids on May 10, 2021 12:01:09 GMT
That was a different world where far less thought was given to patient safety (see also Germany's thalidomide) and there was far less knowledge about the effects of drugs at all. Covid vaccines were developed in an emergency situation and with the full knowledge of how vaccines and the immune system work. Also, puberty blockers are being used on a tiny number of children. Drugs aren't usually given to children willy-nilly without any clear idea of their long-term effects. Finally, congratulations on a massive dollop of unrefined whataboutery.
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Post by ootlg on May 10, 2021 15:09:54 GMT
Why is it so terrible to assume other people's gender? Really, this is very precious tail-wagging-the-dog ADHD stuff here. Courtesy and consideration are one thing, everyone being obliged to join in with admiring the emperor's new unisex clothes, quite another. I am assume for people with gender dysphoria, well some of them, it’s an extremely triggering part of their condition. More broadly though I think it’s less about them thinking it is terrible and more that they just want to normalise not assuming. Funnily enough an acquaintance of mine had this experience in Thailand but in reverse. She is masc presenting but very much a woman. She said they constantly referred to her using male pronouns (and calling her “sir”) and she thinks they were assuming she must be a transgender man, because of the way she looks and presents. She found it annoying. This sort of highlights the possibility of confusion. What do you mean by 'masc presenting'? Looks like a bloke? If she found it annoying why not give everyone a clue that she was a bird? |
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 16:00:26 GMT
That was a different world where far less thought was given to patient safety (see also Germany's thalidomide) and there was far less knowledge about the effects of drugs at all. Covid vaccines were developed in an emergency situation and with the full knowledge of how vaccines and the immune system work. Also, puberty blockers are being used on a tiny number of children. Drugs aren't usually given to children willy-nilly without any clear idea of their long-term effects. Finally, congratulations on a massive dollop of unrefined whataboutery. You keep using words incorrectly. There was no Whataboutery in my post. I am not talking about the past solely but now. Even with Covid vaccines the long term effects necessarily cannot be known now. I an stating a reality which is that ALL new medications that are given to people are done so without knowing the “long term consequences”. Beta blockers are no different despite you wanting them to be treated uniquely differently. Although as you admit to contradicting yourself they are only being given to a tiny number of children, not being given “Willy-nilly.” And like any other drug if after decades we realise actually there are further concerns then they will be stopped / dosages modified. |
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 16:04:25 GMT
I am assume for people with gender dysphoria, well some of them, it’s an extremely triggering part of their condition. More broadly though I think it’s less about them thinking it is terrible and more that they just want to normalise not assuming. Funnily enough an acquaintance of mine had this experience in Thailand but in reverse. She is masc presenting but very much a woman. She said they constantly referred to her using male pronouns (and calling her “sir”) and she thinks they were assuming she must be a transgender man, because of the way she looks and presents. She found it annoying. This sort of highlights the possibility of confusion. What do you mean by 'masc presenting'? Looks like a bloke? If she found it annoying why not give everyone a clue that she was a bird? By “masc presenting” I mean “masc presenting”. She feels no need to dress in a way that she does not feel comfortable. And given she is not transgender then no, it does not really highlight any possibility of confusion unless you think people should be required to dress in a stereotypically way associated with their gender. |
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Post by reverend on May 10, 2021 16:05:58 GMT
"masc presenting" ffs who makes this sh*t up, you sound like a pillock trying to be trendy!
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Post by mids on May 10, 2021 16:06:50 GMT
That was a different world where far less thought was given to patient safety (see also Germany's thalidomide) and there was far less knowledge about the effects of drugs at all. Covid vaccines were developed in an emergency situation and with the full knowledge of how vaccines and the immune system work. Also, puberty blockers are being used on a tiny number of children. Drugs aren't usually given to children willy-nilly without any clear idea of their long-term effects. Finally, congratulations on a massive dollop of unrefined whataboutery. You keep using words incorrectly. There was no Whataboutery in my post. I am not talking about the past solely but now. Even with Covid vaccines the long term effects necessarily cannot be known now. I an stating a reality which is that ALL new medications that are given to people are done so without knowing the “long term consequences”. Beta blockers are no different despite you wanting them to be treated uniquely differently. Although as you admit to contradicting yourself they are only being given to a tiny number of children, not being given “Willy-nilly.” And like any other drug if after decades we realise actually there are further concerns then they will be stopped / dosages modified. "Beta blockers" Actually all drugs are long term tested (except in emergency situations). That's why the covid vaccines are so exceptional in their speed of development. |
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Post by ootlg on May 10, 2021 16:19:29 GMT
This sort of highlights the possibility of confusion. What do you mean by 'masc presenting'? Looks like a bloke? If she found it annoying why not give everyone a clue that she was a bird? By “masc presenting” I mean “masc presenting”. She feels no need to dress in a way that she does not feel comfortable. And given she is not transgender then no, it does not really highlight any possibility of confusion unless you think people should be required to dress in a stereotypically way associated with their gender. But she doesn't feel comfortable. You said she gets 'annoyed' at people taking her for a bloke.. I accept it's a difficult one if she looks like a bloke and wants to dress like a bloke but she must accept that there might be some confusion. How would you address a bird who looked like Mike Tyson? As a bloke of course. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on May 10, 2021 17:00:46 GMT
But she doesn't feel comfortable. You said she gets 'annoyed' at people taking her for a bloke.. I accept it's a difficult one if she looks like a bloke and wants to dress like a bloke but she must accept that there might be some confusion. How would you address a bird who looked like Mike Tyson? As a bloke of course. Well' you're not going to use she in case it is Mike Tyson |
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Post by Repat Van on May 11, 2021 0:38:26 GMT
"masc presenting" ffs who makes this sh*t up, you sound like a pillock trying to be trendy! “Waaaaaaaaah! - people use words to describe things, waaaaaaaah!” Instead of going pink you blithering moron, pick up a dictionary and educate yourself. (In fact you don’t even need a dictionary, common sense would do which is probably why you’re stuck.) |
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Post by Repat Van on May 11, 2021 0:40:57 GMT
You keep using words incorrectly. There was no Whataboutery in my post. I am not talking about the past solely but now. Even with Covid vaccines the long term effects necessarily cannot be known now. I an stating a reality which is that ALL new medications that are given to people are done so without knowing the “long term consequences”. Beta blockers are no different despite you wanting them to be treated uniquely differently. Although as you admit to contradicting yourself they are only being given to a tiny number of children, not being given “Willy-nilly.” And like any other drug if after decades we realise actually there are further concerns then they will be stopped / dosages modified. "Beta blockers" Actually all drugs are long term tested (except in emergency situations). That's why the covid vaccines are so exceptional in their speed of development. That’s not true as per the specific examples provided. The point is until a drug is in general use for decades we will never know the “long terms effects”. You only have an issue with that re puberty blockers because of your personal views of transgender people. |
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Post by Repat Van on May 11, 2021 0:42:09 GMT
By “masc presenting” I mean “masc presenting”. She feels no need to dress in a way that she does not feel comfortable. And given she is not transgender then no, it does not really highlight any possibility of confusion unless you think people should be required to dress in a stereotypically way associated with their gender. But she doesn't feel comfortable. You said she gets 'annoyed' at people taking her for a bloke.. I accept it's a difficult one if she looks like a bloke and wants to dress like a bloke but she must accept that there might be some confusion. How would you address a bird who looked like Mike Tyson? As a bloke of course. I think you need to learn to read. At no point did I say she does not feel comfortable. Why on earth would she specifically dress in a way that made her feel uncomfortable? Why are you talking about Mike Tyson? Who said she looks like Mike Tyson? What are you talking about? You seem to not have understood any of the words written. Incidentally the only place this happened to her is Thailand. Everywhere else is perfectly capable of addressing her as “miss / she” despite her being masc presenting. The point of her story was how it was annoying / interesting that in Thailand people appeared to be assuming a trans identity for her based on the way she dresses. |
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Post by ootlg on May 11, 2021 6:33:16 GMT
'Annoyed' is comfortable? You don't get jokey stuff? We obviously have different language rules. My input ends here.
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Post by mids on May 11, 2021 6:48:40 GMT
"Beta blockers" Actually all drugs are long term tested (except in emergency situations). That's why the covid vaccines are so exceptional in their speed of development. That’s not true as per the specific examples provided. The point is until a drug is in general use for decades we will never know the “long terms effects”. You only have an issue with that re puberty blockers because of your personal views of transgender people. Ah, you're back to your whatboutery again. |
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Post by Repat Van on May 11, 2021 8:44:14 GMT
'Annoyed' is comfortable? You don't get jokey stuff? We obviously have different language rules. My input ends here. Annoyed at other people is not uncomfortable with how she dresses. This isn’t hard OneofThe, why are you struggling? |
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Post by Repat Van on May 11, 2021 8:45:30 GMT
That’s not true as per the specific examples provided. The point is until a drug is in general use for decades we will never know the “long terms effects”. You only have an issue with that re puberty blockers because of your personal views of transgender people. Ah, you're back to your whatboutery again. It’s cute when you use words incorrectly. Like a 3 year old. |
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Post by reverend on May 11, 2021 9:20:47 GMT
"masc presenting" ffs who makes this sh*t up, you sound like a pillock trying to be trendy! “Waaaaaaaaah! - people use words to describe things, waaaaaaaah!” Instead of going pink you blithering moron, pick up a dictionary and educate yourself. (In fact you don’t even need a dictionary, common sense would do which is probably why you’re stuck.) I tend not to go pink (racist) when i'm laughing Van, your cult language amuses the hell out of me! |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on May 11, 2021 9:31:29 GMT
presenting pink, I think you mean
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Post by reverend on May 11, 2021 9:34:49 GMT
presenting pink, I think you mean  pure witt |
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