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Post by Marshall on May 7, 2021 19:37:34 GMT
She comes across as a bit of a laugh really. Pretty self-assured. Wouldn't, mind. This is where a comma makes all the difference. |
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Post by flatandy on May 7, 2021 19:39:13 GMT
Hahaha! Very good!
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Post by mids on May 7, 2021 19:48:29 GMT
Why would you need to use someone's pronouns in an email? Just refer to them by name. To: Mids cc: Taylor Swift Dear Mids Taylor said that she wants to give you a blowjob. Meet her behind the bike sheds at 6pm. Yrs Andy -- To: Mids cc: Taylor Kitsch Dear Mids Taylor said that he wants to give you a blowjob. Meet him behind the bike sheds at 6pm. Yrs Andy -- I send those types of emails to my junk folder. |
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Post by mids on May 7, 2021 19:49:22 GMT
By junk I mean rubbish.
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Post by reverend on May 9, 2021 17:56:40 GMT
Ignore it, silly theater for narcissists! Do you think someone you might be buying a product from is a bit of a performative arse if they include it, or do you just ignore it and not even notice? Would it change your attitude towards them if you saw it? If I saw it I would simply ignore it. Would it change my attitude toward them? well that would depend if they got arsy with me about not playing thier childish games. |
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 0:55:11 GMT
So, a question that's come up recently - so perhaps our permanently outraged puce offended by everything brigade can let me know what they think: How do you react when you see someone put their pronouns in their email signature. You know "pronouns: he him/she her/ they them" Someone was saying they were concerned that their clients might react badly to seeing that rather than just treat it neutrally. Given that you lot are the kind who get offended by everything, you're probably fairly representative of the people they're concerned about offending. Any thoughts? Although I am not part of the permanently outraged brigade, being a fully paid up member of the calm, collected, “don’t give a sh*t brigade” - I don’t really understand this. I think if people are wilfully presenting as one gender I would just assume their pronouns would be those associated with that gender. All the people I see use it are those would probably would not need to explain that their pronouns are different to what people would assume. I think they are hoping to normalise people not assuming other people’s gender but I don’t think that will ever happen. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2021 7:09:09 GMT
Why is it so terrible to assume other people's gender? Really, this is very precious tail-wagging-the-dog ADHD stuff here. Courtesy and consideration are one thing, everyone being obliged to join in with admiring the emperor's new unisex clothes, quite another.
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Post by mids on May 10, 2021 7:43:12 GMT
It's all very individualistic. My gender, my pronouns, my ethnicity. Me me me.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on May 10, 2021 8:00:19 GMT
Enough about me, what do you think of me?
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 8:04:14 GMT
Why is it so terrible to assume other people's gender? Really, this is very precious tail-wagging-the-dog ADHD stuff here. Courtesy and consideration are one thing, everyone being obliged to join in with admiring the emperor's new unisex clothes, quite another. I am assume for people with gender dysphoria, well some of them, it’s an extremely triggering part of their condition. More broadly though I think it’s less about them thinking it is terrible and more that they just want to normalise not assuming. Funnily enough an acquaintance of mine had this experience in Thailand but in reverse. She is masc presenting but very much a woman. She said they constantly referred to her using male pronouns (and calling her “sir”) and she thinks they were assuming she must be a transgender man, because of the way she looks and presents. She found it annoying. |
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 8:06:35 GMT
It's all very individualistic. My gender, my pronouns, my ethnicity. Me me me. This makes no sense. Did you mean “personal” when you incorrectly wrote “individualistic?” |
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Post by whiterum on May 10, 2021 8:07:40 GMT
Enough about me, what do you think of me? I think that you, should stop changing your name and nicking my bras and knickers. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2021 9:51:46 GMT
I get that it might be a touch upsetting for those with gender dysphoria, but what proportion of the population is that? It's rather perverse to be getting the entire pop to use odd language to avoid avoid a vanishing small chance of mildly peeving somebody. If they are incapable of accepting that folks might mis-address them, then that sounds a bit like, as you say, triggering.
I'm all for courtesy and consideration but I don't think this indulgence is at all healthy, morally or psychologically.
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Post by flatandy on May 10, 2021 11:08:14 GMT
Are we getting the entire population to use odd language? For any conversation not involving people with unisex names, who aren’t transgender, who aren’t non-binary, and who aren’t oppposite-sex-presenting (as Van notes can also be problematic), there’s no change in language at al. And at least for the first and last groups, and most of the second group, it’s still using the same language as before - just clarifying which traditional words to use.
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2021 11:10:58 GMT
I get that it might be a touch upsetting for those with gender dysphoria, but what proportion of the population is that? It's rather perverse to be getting the entire pop to use odd language to avoid avoid a vanishing small chance of mildly peeving somebody. If they are incapable of accepting that folks might mis-address them, then that sounds a bit like, as you say, triggering. I'm all for courtesy and consideration but I don't think this indulgence is at all healthy, morally or psychologically. Why the hyperbole? Nobody is getting the entire population to “use odd language”. It is some individuals who choose to state their pronouns on communications. That’s all. You don’t have to put that in your email signature / Facebook or LinkedIn profile if you don’t want to so claiming they are getting the “entire population to use odd language” is silly. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2021 11:14:33 GMT
Thin end of the wedge, albeit this whole gender issue is transient and we'll all move on to the next bit of trendy, Poe-facery.
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Post by flatandy on May 10, 2021 11:17:24 GMT
If trans-gender meant transient-gender it would be less of an issue. It appears, though, that gender (cis or trans) has a fair amount of longevity.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2021 11:27:27 GMT
Oh, I get that. I have no doubt that this is a thing: a condition that should be dealt with responsibly, with care and compassion.
I suspect the next phase will be a scandal about how many wangs have been cut off at public expense, only to require glueing back on again, with accompanying damages.
Lessons will be learned, I expect.
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Post by mids on May 10, 2021 11:33:17 GMT
We're almost at that stage with puberty blockers. Nobody has any idea about their long term effects but they're being prescribed willy-nilly. People are starting to question their use now.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2021 11:43:58 GMT
Nilly-willy, surely? Or is that a brand name?
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