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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 30, 2024 23:12:53 GMT
Using the standard definition of biological sex, it would happen. How are you defining biological sex here? Would it? Please link to the "standard definition". |
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Post by flatandy on Apr 30, 2024 23:18:20 GMT
After you've told me how you're defining biological sex, given that I asked first.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 30, 2024 23:25:48 GMT
Fair enough.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 30, 2024 23:33:27 GMT
"Sex is biological (male or female). It's based not only on the genes we inherit, but also on how our external and internal sex and reproductive organs work and respond to hormones."
There you go. From the NHS.
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Post by flatandy on May 1, 2024 1:20:25 GMT
That doesn’t answer my question. Someone who was born a woman and who has transitioned is on which ward.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 1, 2024 5:23:42 GMT
They haven't transitioned. Transmen and transwomen are simply benefitting from the courtesy titles "man" and "woman".
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Post by Repat Van on May 1, 2024 8:11:00 GMT
With people of their biological sex, durr. If it’s about safety why are trans men being placed with cis women? |
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Post by Repat Van on May 1, 2024 8:11:46 GMT
Oh noes! Think of the distress this will cause the men and women who have had operations and think they've magically been transformed into the opposite sex! Are you this dismissive of all sufferers of various conditions or just those with gender dysphoria? |
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Post by mids on May 1, 2024 8:15:23 GMT
Like anorexia? I expect you tell them that yes, you affirm their disgusting fatness.
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Post by Repat Van on May 1, 2024 8:37:24 GMT
Because if I get this straight - according to those pushing for only those of the same biological sex (assigned the same gender at birth) to share hospital wards: This person would make women feel very uncomfortable and should be on a male ward  And this person is best placed on a female ward and women would have no problem being vulnerable and in various states of undress on a ward with them:  Ok. (On a side note - the few times I have even been in a hospital nobody has asked me to prove my biological sex and in only one instance would they have known because the treatment was related to that. So how do they intend to test people to ensure they are telling the truth?) |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 1, 2024 8:41:54 GMT
Maybe look at their medical records?
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Post by mids on May 1, 2024 8:42:16 GMT
Are any of those people users of the NHS?
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Post by Repat Van on May 1, 2024 8:58:11 GMT
Maybe look at their medical records? Depends on what you are in hospital for / if it’s an emergency or if you even have access to their medical records. What if you cannot access a full medical history? |
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Post by Repat Van on May 1, 2024 8:58:47 GMT
Are any of those people users of the NHS? Yes. Both of them. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 1, 2024 9:08:57 GMT
Maybe look at their medical records? Depends on what you are in hospital for / if it’s an emergency or if you even have access to their medical records. What if you cannot access a full medical history? Best guess and medical training. I'm sure a few will slip through, but nothing's foolproof, as you so amply demonstrate. Mistakes happen, but that's different to deliberate policy. Do you see? |
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Post by Repat Van on May 1, 2024 9:29:02 GMT
But aside from having to prove biological sex back to my image - why would the top person make women uncomfortable / be a threat but the bottom person wouldn’t / isn’t?
What if somebody could prove / show they were “born female” but physically presented as male. Why would they be placed on a female ward given that most of the other people would assume they were male?
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Post by mids on May 1, 2024 9:34:38 GMT
You go in the ward that matches your sex as observed at birth. Ideally, at least. Obviously immigrants and lazy public sector workers have set back the advancement of the NHS and mixed sex wards still seem to be a thing.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 1, 2024 9:38:55 GMT
I think that's generally only in intensive care or emergency situations. It certainly is where I've been recently.
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Post by marechal on May 1, 2024 19:05:14 GMT
Oh noes! Think of the distress this will cause the men and women who have had operations and think they've magically been transformed into the opposite sex! Are you this dismissive of all sufferers of various conditions or just those with gender dysphoria? Why are you so dismissive of women athletes being forced to compete against transwomen? |
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Post by flatandy on May 1, 2024 19:47:07 GMT
Let's focus on the issue we're discussing here, which isn't fairness in sport. If the only objection to trans women was just stopping their access to sport, then we could focus on that. But instead, you're talking about sport when everyone else here is talking about basic access to medical care.
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