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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 11:04:40 GMT
taliban going house to house. anyone who cooperated with usa or served in afghan army being killed on sight. the slaughter has begun. this will be worse than saigon.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 11:06:39 GMT
Bush and Trump and HRC thought they’d create a Marshall Plan with only guns and bribery. And now they’re trying to blame anyone else for the consequences of their pathetically shallow and short-term thought processes.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 11:11:19 GMT
riddle me this. why didn't obama/biden reverse the nation building. they had 8 years? c'mon andy, i know you can blame that on trump and and probaly abe lincoln too.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 11:16:19 GMT
I imagine Obama and HRC didn’t because they were playing a stupid political game, scared that they’d be pilloried by people like you the way you are doing just now. Obama knew it was the right thing to do because he kept saying he was planning on doing it and never followed through,
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Post by ootlg on Aug 16, 2021 11:18:44 GMT
The problem was that they tried to do nation building on the cheap - well, not really cheap, but because they were military-obsessed and it was all run by the military they took an “if you have a hammer, every problem is a nail” approach and saw every problem as one that could be solved with boots on the ground and guns and helicopters. This was useful for the neocons cheerleaders who still fill up the R side of congress because it was a way of shovelling US taxpayer cash to their friends. (Hence, not cheap), But they didn’t spend nearly as much money, or time, or manpower, or thought, to all the other parts of nation building - the rebuilding infrastructure and education and civil society, to making sure that the government was stable and corruption wasn’t rampant and that all parts of Afghanistan were engaged. It’s the same attitude to Iraq. They believed in the military side of the game and thought it would do all the work. I don’t hold the Democrats blameless in this - HRC as Obama’s Secretary of State was definitely part of the continuation of the problem. But it was a Bush war, and it was Trump who collapsed to Taleban demands and told them they could have the country and he’d get the troops out, but didn’t have the balls to completely finish and left an absolutely skeleton back-up in place for Biden, leaving Biden no choice at all other than to pile tens of thousands of troops back in and try to start again. There was never going to be any nation building - step beyond Kabul central and you're back in the middleage. Recent periods of relative peace have only been achieved by paying the regional warlords; as soon as that stops, the trouble starts. The country's been subject to invasion since pre-Christian times and it always ends in tears. |
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Post by mids on Aug 16, 2021 11:22:17 GMT
Biden might even get elevated to the worst president of my lifetime.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 11:24:20 GMT
uncle jo answered my question. he said his and obamas hands were tied and they, as prez and vice-prez, couldn't do anything.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 11:30:22 GMT
heaven help the women and schoolgirls. apparently, in his rush to be anti-trump, when asked about the women and schoolgirls, he said f**k them. i'm looking for the quote.
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Post by mids on Aug 16, 2021 11:39:43 GMT
Biden's bloodbath.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 11:44:24 GMT
Biden might even get elevated to the worst president of my lifetime. c'mon, now. give him a break. he's the lefts premier foreign policy expert. don't you see the that expertise on display on our southern border, and now afghanistan? biden definitely makes jimmy carter look like a genius. now it looks like we also have troops trapped in the country with no way out. that would be icing on the cake for biden. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 12:06:58 GMT
heaven help the women and schoolgirls. apparently, in his rush to be anti-trump, when asked about the women and schoolgirls, he said f**k them. i'm looking for the quote.  |
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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 12:18:25 GMT
another thing. biden isn't alone. his security advisors also own this. and the woke politicians/bueaucrats wearing uniforms in the pentagon also own it and need to be kicked out. if this is the cream of our military leadership, it's little wonder we haven't won a war, Desert Storm excluded, in 77 years.
just announced on tv we have to evacuate 88,000 people.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 12:21:45 GMT
if this is the cream of our military leadership, it's little wonder we haven't won a war, Desert Storm excluded, in 77 years. I see that you still hate the US military. For some reason you give all the political idiots who start pointless US wars a free pass, all the Trumps and Bushes and Reagans and Nixons. The Hillary and Bill Clintons, the JFKs and LBJs. All the Cheneys and Rumsfelds and Perles and Wolfowitzes... they get to make all kinds of moronic decisions based on their own lack of military background. But you attack the actual military. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 12:30:58 GMT
The art of the deal...
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Post by mids on Aug 16, 2021 12:37:17 GMT
Is there a mechanism to re-install Trump as president? That's Afghanistan's only hope now.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 12:47:33 GMT
evacuation has been suspended.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 16, 2021 12:49:03 GMT
I see that you still hate the US military.
go lick your lenin and mao tse tung posters.
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 16, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
heaven help the women and schoolgirls. apparently, in his rush to be anti-trump, when asked about the women and schoolgirls, he said f**k them. i'm looking for the quote. You really believe Biden said that? |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 16, 2021 12:59:40 GMT
another thing. biden isn't alone. his security advisors also own this. and the woke politicians/bueaucrats wearing uniforms in the pentagon also own it and need to be kicked out. if this is the cream of our military leadership, it's little wonder we haven't won a war, Desert Storm excluded, in 77 years. just announced on tv we have to evacuate 88,000 people. You seem very one-sided on this. Which is unsurprising. So Biden was wrong to continue with the withdrawal but Trump was right to sign a deal with the Taliban to withdraw American troops? This makes no sense. |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 16, 2021 13:00:51 GMT
Is there a mechanism to re-install Trump as president? That's Afghanistan's only hope now. Trunk who signed a deal with the Taliban to withdraw US troops would be what Afghanistan needs? How does that work then? |
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