Afghanistan

[mids]

Mar 17, 2023 13:30:27 GMT Repat Van said:

Mar 17, 2023 10:44:32 GMT ootlg said:

Oy. Watchit.

Anyway, Liddle. One sentence he wrote sort of points out his own weakness: "We are all the sum of our opinions and beliefs and we can no more jettison them than we can rid ourselves of our own DNA." This is, of course, rubbish, and may be the source of his inability/refusal to understand what's happening around him. I used to drink in the same pub as him btw.

Wah.

[perrykneeham]

Breaker Morant II?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-65010345

[voice]

US President Joe Biden's administration has released a report blaming its chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan on his predecessor, Donald Trump.

The 12-page report says Mr Biden was "severely constrained" by Mr Trump's decisions, including a 2020 agreement struck with the Taliban in Qatar.

But halfway through the report is a suggestion the government could have begun evacuations earlier.

The deadly pull-out in August 2021 ended America's longest war.

On Thursday, President Biden's national security spokesman, John Kirby, blamed the chaos on a deal that former President Trump made with the Taliban a year earlier.

The report refers to a "deliberate degradation" by the Trump administration.

Mr Kirby said that phrase refers to the drawdown of US troops during Mr Trump's tenure and the freeing of thousands of Taliban prisoners, as well as the Doha agreement with the insurgents to end the war.

"Transitions matter," said Mr Kirby, as he presented a summary of the report. "That's the first lesson learned here. And the incoming administration wasn't afforded much of one."

The report implies that the evacuation of Americans and allies from Afghanistan could have started sooner.

"We now prioritize earlier evacuations when faced with a degrading security situation," it says on page seven.

But the report faults the Afghan government and military for these delays, together with US military and intelligence community assessments.

Mr Kirby said that Mr Biden had "acted in accordance with the best judgement of his advisers" and refused to say if the president regretted how the withdrawal was carried out.

Some lessons had been learned from the end of the war in Afghanistan, he said, especially around the failure to predict the sudden collapse of the Afghan government. Mr Kirby said that had influenced the US policy of supporting Ukraine ahead of Russia's invasion.

At a heated White House press briefing, Mr Kirby was forced to defend the timing of the release just ahead of a holiday weekend in the US.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65208663

So Trumps surrender to the Taliban was, as I said many times, at the root of the clusterfuck, though Biden could certainly have handled ot better even with his hands tied by the previous regime

[rick49]

White House denies 'chaos' during Afghanistan withdrawal: 'Didn't see it from my perch'

"The White House pushed back on the idea President Joe Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan was chaotic, defending its summary of administration-wide after-action reports that transfers much of the responsibility to former President Donald Trump."

"For all this talk of chaos, I didn't see it from my perch," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters Thursday. "I just don't buy the whole argument of chaos."
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/afghanistan-chaos-from-my-perch

the nurse is of course buying this.

[rick49]

Chaos at Kabul airport as Afghans try to flee Taliban - BBC News
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tH6l9qtWiA

Chaos escalates at Kabul airport as Afghans try to flee Taliban
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHm_XE7CA30

uncle joe and kirby-"what chaos? we didn't see any chaos. everything was calm and orderly. any claims of chaos are a dastardly misinformation campaign by the bad orange man, and we will bring him up on charges for it. nothing to see here. move along, now."

[voice]

Tell me again, which idiot surrendered to the Taliban?

[voice]

Though of course you and the rest of team idiot want to focus on a couple of weeks in August 21 while ignoring who got you into the Afghan mess in the first place, with no idea what to do next. Then obviously you want to totally ignore who negotiated America's surrender to the Taliban, and in such a way to doom the Afghan gov.

Sure Biden, Johnson and other western leaders caught off guard by the rapidity of the collapse fluffed the landing, in fact the only one who ended looking not too bad from this whole shoddy affair was ironically Trudeau who saw the writing on the wall, as surrender monkey Trump kowtowed to the Taliban, and pulled Canadian forces out long before everyone else.

[rick49]

can the left make up their minds? they rabidly opposed our troop deployment in afghanistan and in the same breath call trump a surrender monkey.

[voice]

Getting out was not the issue, rewarding the Taliban and giving into their every demand while cutting the Afghan gov off at the knees was the issue. Trump surrendered totally, cos he wanted the win, as he saw it, of being the one to end a long pointless war, we know he actually wanted the withdrawal to be even more hastily done, before the election, as he thought it would help him, only his generals held him back. He never cared about the mess his surrender to the Taliban would cause for Afghanistan, only how it might help him to end it.

Well he ended it alright, and just look at the result.

[rick49]

no chaos here, either. vietnam.

[ootlg]

Whatever anyone says about the withdrawal, it was probably the first time in history an invading army got out without huge loss of life. Blood-letting among the Afghans after is traditional.

[rick49]

nice.

Watchdog can't guarantee US assistance to Afghanistan is 'not currently funding the Taliban'
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/afghanistan-withdrawal-hearing-watchdog-aid-taliban/11695782002/

afghani's starve as taliban are fat and happy with uncle joe's aid to them.

[flatandy]

Some US assistance has always got into enemy hands, every time the US has an enemy and every time the US gives international aid. Is this news?

[rick49]

in this case it looks like the taliban are keeping all the assistance to themselves.

[ootlg]

They'll rule the roost until the other tribes decide to change things.

[rick49]

escapes from being killed by taliban by coming to america only to be killed by american street thugs..

hotair.com/john-s-2/2023/07/07/afghan-interpreter-who-escaped-the-taliban-murdered-in-washington-dc-by-a-group-of-teens-n563080

[rick49]

Suicides by women in Afghanistan are skyrocketing according to a new report that has come out a year after President Biden catastrophically pulled US forces from the country handing it over to the Taliban.
americanwirenews.com/suicide-discovery-white-house-refuses-to-admit-it/

[voice]

If only P01135809 hadn't surrendered wholesale to these barbarians eh?

[bertruss2]

Whatever anyone says about the withdrawal, it was probably the first time in history an invading army got out without huge loss of life.

That's the trajectory of American military interventions. In Syria, get the Kurds and other anti-regime forces to do the fighting. In Ukraine, don't send in troops at all. The principle is "We supply the weapons and the natives supply the dead bodies".

It's a way of standing back and enjoying the show and transferring taxpayers money to the business and military elite.

[rick49]

if bin laden hadn't decided to blow up some buildings we never would have been there in the first place.