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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 20:46:44 GMT
America has been humiliated because it did a sh*t job for 20 years, not because of what happened with the last 2000 troops in the last 4 months. They've done a sh*t job. Period. Biden has made a sh*t job shitter while claiming to be limiting the shitiness of that job. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 20:48:55 GMT
I mean, America hasn't been humiliated at all, really. The humiliation basically belongs to the political and military leaders who believe in continuous military adventurism, and those who pay lip service in order to get taxpayer money to the military industrial complex that they are in the pocket of. That's America right there. Ask America how it feels it reflects on them. They've been humbled and degraded. In short, they're a laughing stock. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 20:51:42 GMT
What would your alternative have been? Stay out fighting for longer? Until when?
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 20:54:30 GMT
Maybe not pretend that you weren't about to turn your back and feed your allies to the dogs. It was almost craven.
That's what's made this worse for everyone. The Yanks. The Afghans. The NATO allies.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 20:56:43 GMT
Oh, and the Americans haven't been fighting for a long time really. Neither have we. Last UK casualty? 2013, I think.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 21:08:25 GMT
If the US weren't doing anything then why has their withdrawal resulted in the collapse of the military and government?
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 21:09:25 GMT
Maybe not pretend that you weren't about to turn your back and feed your allies to the dogs. It was almost craven. That's what's made this worse for everyone. The Yanks. The Afghans. The NATO allies. That doesn't really answer the question, does it? Would you have withdrawn now, or would you have stayed? And if you had stayed, how long would that have been for - what conditions would it require for you to leave and how would you achieve those conditions? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:09:48 GMT
Yep. You'd have to be pretty gullible, thick or dishonest to see Biden's "defiant' speech as anything other than a cornered rat lashing out, like a drunk whose stash of empty vodka bottles has been found in the toilet cistern.
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Post by voice on Aug 16, 2021 21:11:27 GMT
So even though Trump surrendered last year and said the US would be gone by May 1st and pulled all but a handful of troops out, the humiliation and clusterfuckery only started last week? Yeah right, you're sounding more like the idiot by the minuet.
Can anyone honestly say if all troops had been gone by May 1st as promised or had they stayed till next year, or the year after, the outcome would have been any different. How long do you want UK and US forces to be there, 5 more years, 10? And do you really think the end result would be any different?
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:12:17 GMT
Maybe not pretend that you weren't about to turn your back and feed your allies to the dogs. It was almost craven. That's what's made this worse for everyone. The Yanks. The Afghans. The NATO allies. That doesn't really answer the question, does it? Would you have withdrawn now, or would you have stayed? And if you had stayed, how long would that have been for - what conditions would it require for you to leave and how would you achieve those conditions? I'm not sure you've grasped the point. It doesn't really matter when they bolted, it's the bolting and the manner of the bolting that's done the damage. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:12:51 GMT
So even though Trump surrendered last year and said the US would be gone by May 1st and pulled all but a handful of troops out, the humiliation and clusterfuckery only started last week? Yeah right, you're sounding more like the idiot by the minuet. Can anyone honestly say if all troops had been gone by May 1st as promised or had they stayed till next year, or the year after, the outcome would have been any different. How long do you want UK and US forces to be there, 5 more years, 10? And do you really think the end result would be any different? See above. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:13:45 GMT
Who mentioned "all but a handful"?
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 21:15:09 GMT
That doesn't really answer the question, does it? Would you have withdrawn now, or would you have stayed? And if you had stayed, how long would that have been for - what conditions would it require for you to leave and how would you achieve those conditions? I'm not sure you've grasped the point. It doesn't really matter when they bolted, it's the bolting and the manner of the bolting that's done the damage. So you're not answering the question, then. When would you have bolted and how would you have bolted differently? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:17:21 GMT
Also, I never attempted to suggest that the US clusterfuckery started last week. Their slow chugging of a yard of cold cum started long ago. Biden seems to want a chaser.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:19:23 GMT
I'm not sure you've grasped the point. It doesn't really matter when they bolted, it's the bolting and the manner of the bolting that's done the damage. So you're not answering the question, then. When would you have bolted and how would you have bolted differently? The question isn't pertinent. We're discussing the manner of the bolt not the closing of stable door. Do try and stick with the argument. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 21:22:08 GMT
So, again, starting from when Biden got into office in late January, how would you have handled this differently.
All I'd have done differently is open up the borders more for more Afghan refugees, making sure that "collaborators" had the opportunity to be repaid for their work. Maybe tried to get the civilians out before the final military withdrawal. If I was starting 20, 12 or 4 years ago, there would have been more options.
You? Do you have any suggestions?
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 21:22:55 GMT
So you're not answering the question, then. When would you have bolted and how would you have bolted differently? The question isn't pertinent. We're discussing the manner of the bolt not the closing of stable door. Do try and stick with the argument. Yes indeed. And I'm asking how you would have mannered the the bolt and stable door situation differently. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 16, 2021 21:25:03 GMT
As an aside, this is apparently what the taliban are currently up to now they're in control:
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:28:52 GMT
I don't need to do that. It's neither here nor there to a discussion about how Biden has massively mis-managed this exit and showed the US to be a giant retarded baby squirming in its own incontinence. That being said, maybe the World's superpower might have been able to bring order to a runway long enough to cover its wretched departure .... www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-58226712 |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 16, 2021 21:30:27 GMT
As an aside, this is apparently what the taliban are currently up to now they're in control: No women drivers, I notice. That's the worst thing about all this, I'm told. |
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