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Post by flatandy on Jun 28, 2022 14:58:40 GMT
I completely am aware that most people have an issue with transgender people. Do most people? As I understand it, most people under 30 really don't. From reports I've read from first-world-non-UK countries, it appears to be a particularly British affliction at the moment, like abortion and gun nonsense is an American one. Also, from reports I've read, almost everyone in rape survivor groups - even in the UK - don't have an issue and are entirely happy for women of all kinds who've been raped to be part of the support and survivor groups, and it's usually just one single person who's read too much Mumsnet who goes off on their bizarre quixotic crusade. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 28, 2022 15:48:56 GMT
I completely am aware that most people have an issue with transgender people. Do most people? As I understand it, most people under 30 really don't. From reports I've read from first-world-non-UK countries, it appears to be a particularly British affliction at the moment, like abortion and gun nonsense is an American one. Also, from reports I've read, almost everyone in rape survivor groups - even in the UK - don't have an issue and are entirely happy for women of all kinds who've been raped to be part of the support and survivor groups, and it's usually just one single person who's read too much Mumsnet who goes off on their bizarre quixotic crusade. From what I see most people seem to. Although the extent to which they do varies wildly. Happy to be wrong though. I don’t have any works to cite. |
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Post by wetkingcanute on Jun 28, 2022 17:14:03 GMT
Shibboleth
a word or saying used by adherents of a party, sect, or belief and usually regarded by others as empty of real meaning
In the Bible the book of Judges tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy, asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't pronounce the initial sh was killed on the spot. When English speakers first borrowed shibboleth, they used it to mean "test phrase," but it has acquired additional meanings since that time.
The reason I have stopped posting on this thread is that whenever anyone tries to put forward a point of view that doesn't exactly coincide with the transgender shibboleth they are simply called TRANSPHOBES and their point of view need not be considered.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 28, 2022 17:16:41 GMT
Do you think that raped trans women should be excluded from rape support and survivor groups that previous included them and whose policy is to include them?
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Post by mids on Jun 28, 2022 17:19:22 GMT
The Ephraimites should have had a couple of amphorae of wine before trying to cross.
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Post by mids on Jun 28, 2022 17:21:40 GMT
Do you think that raped trans women should be excluded from rape support and survivor groups that previous included them and whose policy is to include them? They could go to one of the many, many male rape crisis centres and pitch in with the other men. |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 28, 2022 17:24:33 GMT
Or the transphobic woman who couldn't face joining the group that already included trans women and had a policy of including trans women could go to one of the many many many trans-exclusive womens rape groups. Which must exist in their thousands, given how many cis women, we are told, are desperate not to be in the same space as trans women.
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Post by mids on Jun 28, 2022 17:29:33 GMT
"cis women"? Are there rape crisis groups specifically for women who are physical chemists? Although you could have just said female chemists or something.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 28, 2022 17:38:27 GMT
Shibboleth a word or saying used by adherents of a party, sect, or belief and usually regarded by others as empty of real meaning In the Bible the book of Judges tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy, asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't pronounce the initial sh was killed on the spot. When English speakers first borrowed shibboleth, they used it to mean "test phrase," but it has acquired additional meanings since that time. The reason I have stopped posting on this thread is that whenever anyone tries to put forward a point of view that doesn't exactly coincide with the transgender shibboleth they are simply called TRANSPHOBES and their point of view need not be considered. This sounds like something you made up. Like when racists complain about being called racist. What if they are just accurately describing somebody / something? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 28, 2022 17:38:57 GMT
Do you think that raped trans women should be excluded from rape support and survivor groups that previous included them and whose policy is to include them? They could go to one of the many, many male rape crisis centres and pitch in with the other men. Why? Why can’t they go to the women’s charities that are happy to have them? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 28, 2022 17:42:19 GMT
"cis women"? Are there rape crisis groups specifically for women who are physical chemists? Although you could have just said female chemists or something. Oh Mids is still having a tantrum over language evolving. You’re probably one of the people who throws a tantrum over “gay” meaning “homosexual” instead of “happy.” dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cis |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 28, 2022 17:45:15 GMT
Why does this person desperately want to change a rape support group that had been working fine for everyone except her?
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Post by Psalms on Jun 28, 2022 18:03:48 GMT
XX for women, XY for men. That's back to basics
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Post by mids on Jun 28, 2022 18:09:04 GMT
Why does this person desperately want to change a rape support group that had been working fine for everyone except her? Because men in dresses have started turning up. |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 28, 2022 18:15:45 GMT
Have they?
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Post by wetkingcanute on Jun 28, 2022 18:21:37 GMT
My last post was not particularly about the rape centre story - more about the whole Transgender thing in general.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 28, 2022 18:23:42 GMT
My last post was not particularly about the rape centre story - more about the whole Transgender thing in general. Who on this thread called you a transphobe unfairly? |
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Post by mids on Jun 28, 2022 18:23:44 GMT
Yes.
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Post by mids on Jun 28, 2022 18:24:49 GMT
Jesus the left are utterly obsessed with the trans thing and very, very touchy about it too.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 28, 2022 18:25:48 GMT
Why does this person desperately want to change a rape support group that had been working fine for everyone except her? Because men in dresses have started turning up. Even if this were true and it does not appear to be the case…why can’t the charity decide their inclusion policy for themselves and she can find one that fits her requirements? Why should one group of women be barred to make her happy? Even if the charity was actually open to actual cis men - that’s the right to decide who they will serve. They aren’t excluding anybody - she is showing a shocking level of entitlement. |
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