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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 24, 2023 18:31:45 GMT
Abstinence is a nice idea, but it's never really worked, people enjoy getting high/drunk/stoned/shagging, best to do it safely. Well, it works for very large numbers of people. Taking drugs is a minority issue really. It feels like we're removing self control from the debate and medicalising fecklessness. |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 24, 2023 18:35:05 GMT
What "debate"? Some people do something and some people don't?
Choosing not to do drugs works for lots of people. Self control and not getting addicted while taking drugs works for a lot of people. But it doesn't work for some. And nagging them about it and telling them it's bad - all the way to locking them up - seems to be, and have always been, a pathetic failure if that's the only policy you have.
Addicts need treatment, not criminalisation.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 24, 2023 19:15:07 GMT
Well, there's a debate about how to mitigate addiction. A factor would be not starting.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 24, 2023 19:18:13 GMT
Yes. Very good. Very clever. How has that worked as a strategy in the past, just discouraging people from starting?
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 24, 2023 19:46:41 GMT
My point was that it shouldn't be excluded. It costs nothing.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 24, 2023 19:53:47 GMT
In which case it's an utterly trite point because it's what's been happening for centuries and has historically been the only policy offered.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 24, 2023 19:54:59 GMT
Doesn't mean it hasn't worked, at least in part.
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Post by voice on Jun 24, 2023 20:24:41 GMT
The causes of addiction are multi faceted, telling kids nit to do crack is a very good idea if they are receptive and just thinking of trying it for kicks, however, as I said earlier, there is good evidence a vast majority of addicts have suffered trauma, usually in childhood, though at times work related fire fighters, those working in A&E, solders ect, as untreated or unrecognized PTSD is a massive driver of addictive vehaviour, very few addicts can be accurately described as feckless or morraly lacking, most start taking drugs to self medicate away the effects of trauma.
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Post by mids on Jun 24, 2023 20:44:04 GMT
Can'tada, more like.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 24, 2023 21:02:43 GMT
The causes of addiction are multi faceted, telling kids nit to do crack is a very good idea if they are receptive and just thinking of trying it for kicks, however, as I said earlier, there is good evidence a vast majority of addicts have suffered trauma, usually in childhood, though at times work related fire fighters, those working in A&E, solders ect, as untreated or unrecognized PTSD is a massive driver of addictive vehaviour, very few addicts can be accurately described as feckless or morraly lacking, most start taking drugs to self medicate away the effects of trauma. I don't disagree. It's only Andrew (the Patron Saint of Lost Causes) that seems to be struggling with complexity here.  |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 24, 2023 22:10:02 GMT
Abstinence is a nice idea, but it's never really worked, people enjoy getting high/drunk/stoned/shagging, best to do it safely. Well, it works for very large numbers of people. Taking drugs is a minority issue really. It feels like we're removing self control from the debate and medicalising fecklessness. I like when people are completely ignorant on the topic of addiction act as if they are knowledgeable on it. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 24, 2023 22:10:57 GMT
I see Canada's a woke peeeeedo hellhole now. Which outperforms the UK on pretty much any liveability index. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 24, 2023 22:11:48 GMT
I think there's room for "just say no" as well. There absolutely is. But given as, by itself it doesn’t seem to be effective as a strategy, there should be other measures too. |
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Post by rick49 on Jun 25, 2023 0:38:17 GMT
nancy reagan took the just say no approach and she was ridiculed for it. locking up dealers is a good idea but there is an endless supply of people willing to risk it for quick riches.
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Post by voice on Jun 25, 2023 1:20:52 GMT
The problem when many say just say no, the emphasis is too often on the "just" as if that's enough when it's clearly not. Also it's unusually melded with harsh draconian criminalization for those who can't say no for what ever reasons.
A correct approach being "say no, but if you can't, then we'll treat you as having a health condition rather than being a criminal"
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Post by rick49 on Jun 25, 2023 2:09:53 GMT
good grief. just watched drug users promoting lsd use on babies. if that isn't crazy enough they said lsd use should be mandatory for everyone.
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Post by voice on Jun 25, 2023 2:27:08 GMT
Sounds made up
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Post by rick49 on Jun 25, 2023 3:05:20 GMT
sounds made up.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 25, 2023 4:39:14 GMT
I think there's room for "just say no" as well. There absolutely is. But given as, by itself it doesn’t seem to be effective as a strategy, there should be other measures too. Yes, as stated. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 25, 2023 10:24:30 GMT
good grief. just watched drug users promoting lsd use on babies. if that isn't crazy enough they said lsd use should be mandatory for everyone. Link? |
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