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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 13:53:42 GMT
If I am not content and I want to sleep with my sister-in-law is that okay, even knowing the devestation it would cause to my brother and my family and so on. I suspect not, so actually contentment should not be the aim of sexual relationships.
Perhaps you'd do better to ask yourself why you werent content in the first place and wanted to sleep with your sister in law .Perhaps you should consider the frustration it would cause you to NOT sleep with your sister in law and how that would be devasting for a relationship as well .Oh and if your sister in law also wanted to sleep with you then Id go so far as to say that her relationship with your brother was pretty fecked anyway .Just pretending it aint by not doing it solves feck all .
And if contentment isnt the aim of a sexual relationship then pray what is ?
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 13:56:21 GMT
So feral, can you not think of a single situation where reason should outweigh a desire?
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 13:56:51 GMT
I find it very hard to accept that an intelligent and generally reasonable person such as you, Dwad, is attempting to compare "sex before marriage" with incest and peeedoism. Why not go the whole hog and add "exterminating the Jews, Hitler tried that and look what happened to him"? I'm not, I'm trying to debunk this myth that sex is about contentment above all else by showing that there are situations where you/feral don't think it is. Thus trying to show you can let reason rule your libido. Of course you can let reason rule your libido. That's what I do every time there's a possibility of sex which I choose not to accept. "I could get laid here but I don't fancy the bloke" is an example of that. I honestly don't see the connection between me having sex with someone because I can and want to and shagging my ten year old father or whatever. |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 13:57:13 GMT
Can we give a big hand to the lady who sees that it is not blatently wrong for a 10 year old to sleep with a 40 year old, to shag your father or nick somebody else's partner. Nice.
I really dont care if you consider me or my opinions as nice or not dwad.
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 13:59:53 GMT
I honestly don't see the connection between me having sex with someone because I can and want to and shagging my ten year old father or whatever.
I'm just trying to show that a lot of these sweeping statements about "contentment" with your sex life and inhibitions and so on don't stand any scrutiny. That even you have boundaries on what sex you would consider okay and so sex is worth considering beyond "do I want it" or "am I content" because actually contentment and desire are sometimes very bad reasons for having sex.
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:00:12 GMT
So feral, can you not think of a single situation where reason should outweigh a desire? The only reason there is ever a reason that outweighs a desire is because of consequences.Fear of them .And yes of course my fear of consequences outweighs some desires I have .That doesnt mean that i find it correct to have those fears |
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:01:44 GMT
Can we give a big hand to the lady who sees that it is not blatently wrong for a 10 year old to sleep with a 40 year old, to shag your father or nick somebody else's partner. Nice. I really dont care if you consider me or my opinions as nice or not dwad. Although it's nice to know where you are coming from. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:02:42 GMT
So feral, can you not think of a single situation where reason should outweigh a desire? The only reason there is ever a reason that outweighs a desire is because of consequences.Fear of them .And yes of course my fear of consequences outweighs some desires I have .That doesnt mean that i find it correct to have those fears So your sex life is fuelled by the repression of fear rather than contentment? |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 14:03:31 GMT
I'm just trying to show that a lot of these sweeping statements about "contentment" with your sex life and inhibitions and so on don't stand any scrutiny. That even you have boundaries on what sex you would consider okay and so sex is worth considering beyond "do I want it" or "am I content" because actually contentment and desire are sometimes very bad reasons for having sex. I've never at any point said I don't have boundaries, in fact I said I have one regarding threesomes. My reasons for avoiding which mirror your reasons for avoiding any sort of sex before marriage, as it happens. All I've ever suggested is that your reasons for having sex or not should be based on what you want. Obviously if what you want is to throttle someone to death during sex or poke a ten year old then there's very probably something wrong with you, but I don't think that adds much to the discussion seeing as we're talking about normal people with non-criminal sexual desires. |
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Post by yord on Jan 21, 2009 14:04:15 GMT
if feral gave you a fecking map, compass, and the most explicit of directions , youd still fail to see where shes coming from
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:06:19 GMT
Apart from all that gaff I think it was quite obvious that the sweeping statements about "contentment" were sweeping statements about sex between two adult consenting partners .I do find it rather pathetic to widen the goal posts just to try and make your stance about consenting sex between two adults look more logical
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:07:28 GMT
Although it's nice to know where you are coming from.
You havent got the faintest idea where I'm coming from
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:08:16 GMT
I've never at any point said I don't have boundaries, in fact I said I have one regarding threesomes. My reasons for avoiding which mirror your reasons for avoiding any sort of sex before marriage, as it happens.
In page 14 you say:
I don't think you can have right or wrong reasons for having or not having sex,
I am pointing out that you can. There are definitely circumstances when it is wrong (for most people, I exclude feral). I'm just trying to get away from these bland sweeping generalisations about sex that really focus on individual pleasure and contenment and say that there are boundaries that are worth considering universally.
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Post by yord on Jan 21, 2009 14:08:50 GMT
The thing you dont see dwad is that everyone has been where you are at some stage in their life.
You obviously havnt been to where they are
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:08:52 GMT
Although it's nice to know where you are coming from. You havent got the faintest idea where I'm coming from Never a truer word spoken. I really really haven't. |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:09:14 GMT
So your sex life is fuelled by the repression of fear rather than contentment?
Good grief !
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 14:10:02 GMT
I've never at any point said I don't have boundaries, in fact I said I have one regarding threesomes. My reasons for avoiding which mirror your reasons for avoiding any sort of sex before marriage, as it happens.In page 14 you say: I don't think you can have right or wrong reasons for having or not having sex, I am pointing out that you can. There are definitely circumstances when it is wrong (for most people, I exclude feral). I'm just trying to get away from these bland sweeping generalisations about sex that really focus on individual pleasure and contenment and say that there are boundaries that are worth considering universally. Ahem. What I said on page 14, in full, is "I don't think you can have right or wrong reasons for having or not having sex, as long as the reason is your own." That you're having to resort to extremes and quoting out of context to justify your argument should tell you something. It's telling me something. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:10:58 GMT
Yord, I just feel I should address you once. I have literally no interest in what you are typing. You may notice I have not replied to anything you have said so far. I don't intend to.
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:13:04 GMT
Never a truer word spoken. I really really haven't.
well ,just try and consider for a moment what it is that makes something " wrong " .And how differing societies have different opinions on what constitutes wrong .
So what makes something wrong for you might be totally right for someone else .Ergo, there is no such thing as something being blatently wrong
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Post by yord on Jan 21, 2009 14:13:12 GMT
yes Im well aware of it lol and your reasons for not doing so as they dont makle any sense at all
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