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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:13:48 GMT
Ahem. What I said on page 14, in full, is
"I don't think you can have right or wrong reasons for having or not having sex, as long as the reason is your own."
That you're having to resort to extremes and quoting out of context to justify your argument should tell you something. It's telling me something
It wasn't selective quoting, I was just keeping it brief. What I said still stands. There should be some reasons that are not just yours but universal morality attained by reason (irrespective of desire and contentment) and that you should stick to them even if it is not your own.
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:15:33 GMT
Never a truer word spoken. I really really haven't. well ,just try and consider for a moment what it is that makes something " wrong " .And how differing societies have different opinions on what constitutes wrong . So what makes something wrong for you might be totally right for someone else .Ergo, there is no such thing as something being blatently wrong Murder? |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 14:16:00 GMT
It wasn't selective quoting It bloody was seeing as it changed the entire meaning of the sentence, and what with you being an editor I don't believe for half a nanosecond that you were unaware of that. I still cannot follow your argument. So far, I think it runs "You shouldn't have sex whenever you want to just because you want to in case you might want to have sex with a child" but honestly I'm finding it hard to believe that is your argument. |
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Post by yord on Jan 21, 2009 14:17:29 GMT
Murder ? lmao if that murder saves you and your families lives ?
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Post by mids on Jan 21, 2009 14:19:08 GMT
Never a truer word spoken. I really really haven't. well ,just try and consider for a moment what it is that makes something " wrong " .And how differing societies have different opinions on what constitutes wrong . So what makes something wrong for you might be totally right for someone else .Ergo, there is no such thing as something being blatently wrong Nah that's bedwetting bollocks. Almost every society that has ever existed proscribes murder, rape, theft and loads of other stuff. If there have ever been any societies that dont, their absence today should probably be enough to tell you that some things are right and some things are wrong. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:21:18 GMT
It bloody was seeing as it changed the entire meaning of the sentence, and what with you being an editor I don't believe for half a nanosecond that you were unaware of that.
You're way too suspicious.
So far, I think it runs "You shouldn't have sex whenever you want to just because you want to in case you might want to have sex with a child" but honestly I'm finding it hard to believe that is your argument.[/quote][/i]
I'm saying that there are universal morals and ideas (excluding feral) that transcend desire and so "want" or "contenment" maybe aren't always reliable criteria for sex and in fact should be secondary to some reasoned guidelines. These may be totally different for different people I do accept that. Yours are different from mine. But that some of the statments on here about the bottom line being "do you both want it" are actually not the main thing but secondary to your boundaries. I don't even think you disagree with that. (although I think feral does)
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:21:21 GMT
Murder?
murder yes is generally accepted as being wrong .What constitutes a murder differs however
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:24:39 GMT
Murder? murder yes is generally accepted as being wrong .What constitutes a murder differs however Okay, so there are universal ideals, even if the detail differs. As mids says I think there's some bedwtting there. |
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Post by yord on Jan 21, 2009 14:24:43 GMT
does your lass read the wallpaper while your havin a bit dwad lol . TA ta xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:25:23 GMT
I'm saying that there are universal morals and ideas (excluding feral)
yes you're, for once, quite right to exclude me.I have my own set of morals and refuse to let somone else dictate to me what they should be
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:27:56 GMT
As mids says I think there's some bedwtting there.
christ almighty ..youre a one to talk about bedwetting .It starts off as a discussion abou sex on a first date and you start to bring paedophilia ,incest and now murder into it .And you think I aint nice ? You're the one who associates it all as one and the same thing .
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:30:08 GMT
As mids says I think there's some bedwtting there.christ almighty ..youre a one to talk about bedwetting .It starts off as a discussion abou sex on a first date and you start to bring paedophilia ,incest and now murder into it .And you think I aint nice ? You're the one who associates it all as one and the same thing . I'm doing precisely the opposite. Your sweeping comments about contentment put them all in the same group. I am pointing out that it is unhealthy to do this and that it's important to have reasoned specified boundaries that transcend desire. |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:32:26 GMT
I'm doing precisely the opposite. Your sweeping comments about contentment put them all in the same group. I am pointing out that it is unhealthy to do this and that it's important to have reasoned specified boundaries that transcend desire.
No you're not .You're saying you shouldnt have sex on a first date because it might eventually lead to you wanting to have sex with a 10 year old
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 14:32:49 GMT
I'm saying that there are universal morals and ideas (excluding feral) that transcend desire and so "want" or "contenment" maybe aren't always reliable criteria for sex and in fact should be secondary to some reasoned guidelines. These may be totally different for different people I do accept that. Yours are different from mine. But that some of the statments on here about the bottom line being "do you both want it" are actually not the main thing but secondary to your boundaries. I don't even think you disagree with that. (although I think feral does) Nope, still lost. I really don't think "some people want to shag their children" goes any way towards discounting the idea that two consenting unattached adults can have sex together if that's what they want. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:36:52 GMT
Nope, still lost. I really don't think "some people want to shag their children" goes any way towards discounting the idea that two consenting unattached adults can have sex together if that's what they want.
It doesn't discount it, it just shows that in sex desire is not all important, and instinct should be a secondary criteria to other things when considering sex. I've used extremes to make it more obvious but you are subliminally doing it yourself anyway in your rejection of threesomes etc. I just think that some things (not threesomes) are universally wrong for everybody. Like shagging your children.
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:37:38 GMT
I'm doing precisely the opposite. Your sweeping comments about contentment put them all in the same group. I am pointing out that it is unhealthy to do this and that it's important to have reasoned specified boundaries that transcend desire. No you're not .You're saying you shouldnt have sex on a first date because it might eventually lead to you wanting to have sex with a 10 year old That's pretty much it. Word for word. |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:39:40 GMT
I just think that some things (not threesomes) are universally wrong for everybody. Like shagging your children.
ah and there we have the crux .So what you are really saying is that you have decided that it should be universally wrong for anyone to have sex on a first date .
I disagree
Glad we cleared that up .Must do some work now
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 14:40:15 GMT
does your lass read the wallpaper while your havin a bit dwad lol . TA ta xxxxxxxxxxxxx Proust. Although your chosen material is beginning to explain your posts. |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 14:41:09 GMT
That's pretty much it. Word for word.
Oh yes I know .Id be rather worried about myself if I thought anything like that .It's very very unhealthy
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 14:42:02 GMT
Nope, still lost. I really don't think "some people want to shag their children" goes any way towards discounting the idea that two consenting unattached adults can have sex together if that's what they want.It doesn't discount it, it just shows that in sex desire is not all important, and instinct should be a secondary criteria to other things when considering sex. I've used extremes to make it more obvious but you are subliminally doing it yourself anyway in your rejection of threesomes etc. I just think that some things (not threesomes) are universally wrong for everybody. Like shagging your children. My rejection of threesomes isn't subliminal. I just think it's a hellish dangerous road to go down, that's based on thought and rationality. But I don't desire a threesome, probably because I've thought about it and decided it's not worth the risk. If I did desire one I'd go for it - you also have to consider the risk of not doing something you want to do and the impact that will have (as Feral alluded to earlier). I think your introduction of paedophilia and incest really didn't help clarify your argument. It actually made it look a bit desperate. Can you find a less sensational example to illustrate your point, because I'm not the only one struggling to comprehend it? (Not being snide.) |
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