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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 16:10:58 GMT
You finding something distasteful doesn't make it universally wrong. Everyone universally thinking it's wrong makes it wrong. My point has been all along that I dont think there is anything at all that everyone thinks is universally wrong Although I think you pretty much conceded cold blooded murder. And I think you'd find major concensus around a lot of other things. It's good to decide what they are and all adhere to them whether or not we want to. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 16:11:10 GMT
I have to say I think the idea of tempering my desire in sex is profoundly unappealing. Is this because your boundaries and desire are mutually exclusive though? Indeed does the former dictate the latter? This is not true for everyone. Nothing to do with boundaries, just that I want sex to be filled with naked raw desire. Not a bit of desire, a reasonable amount, not too much not too little. I wouldn't even know how to achieve this - go out with someone I only half fancy, or fancy but think is a bit of a bore? |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 16:12:28 GMT
mmmmm I think sex with oysters aint quite right You're just trusting my instincts aint you? |
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 16:14:03 GMT
As I said, sexual boundaries can change anyway -
I think you are right but they are probably best changed in the cold light of day. Not after a few bottles of wine in a nightclub or somesuch.
But things which are right out are right out - there is no level of desire or desperation or intoxication I could ever reach that will make me screw my father.
So there's a boundary. Stick to it. It's quite a cut and dry example, but the same applies.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 16:15:03 GMT
I bet there's plenty of sailors who've done it with an oyster. They look alarmingly like grey overwobbly female genitalia.
My instincts told me I would like oysters, what with them being shellfish, and in fact the only one I ever tried I had to spit out before I vomited it out. So you can't always trust your instincts.
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 16:16:45 GMT
Nothing to do with boundaries, just that I want sex to be filled with naked raw desire. Not a bit of desire, a reasonable amount, not too much not too little. I wouldn't even know how to achieve this - go out with someone I only half fancy, or fancy but think is a bit of a bore?
As I think everyone does. But only within certain boundaries and it's more important to stay within your boundaries than have that naked raw desire. For example if one day you weren't content and you did fancy sex with your dad, that is beyond your boundary. Even for naked raw desire it ain't a good idea.
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Post by radge on Jan 21, 2009 16:17:05 GMT
VHW but like with cum, you could learn to swallow if it meant something to some one you cared about  |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 16:17:08 GMT
As I said, sexual boundaries can change anyway - I think you are right but they are probably best changed in the cold light of day. Not after a few bottles of wine in a nightclub or somesuch. But things which are right out are right out - there is no level of desire or desperation or intoxication I could ever reach that will make me screw my father. So there's a boundary. Stick to it. It's quite a cut and dry example, but the same applies. Oh good lord. Of course there's a boundary, I have said this all along. We've all got them. It's just a question of where and why you set them. I don't want to screw my dad not because society says it's wrong but because I don't want to. How does this relate to me having sex with someone else I do want to have sex with again? |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 16:17:13 GMT
Although I think you pretty much conceded cold blooded murder.
I only sort of conceded murder ..I did add that what actually constitutes someones idea of murder can be very different .
For example ...a soldier killing a civilian is considered murder by some people.The state executing a murderer is also considered murder by some people .Someone killing someone they find to be hateful and deserving of it probably doesnt consider it to be a cold blooded murder. So umm which murder is the universally wrong one ?
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 16:18:59 GMT
Although I think you pretty much conceded cold blooded murder.I only sort of conceded murder ..I did add that what actually constitutes someones idea of murder can be very different . For example ...a soldier killing a civilian is considered murder by some people.The state executing a murderer is also considered murder by some people .Someone killing someone they find to be hateful and deserving of it probably doesnt consider it to be a cold blooded murder. So umm which murder is the universally wrong one ? Me walking next door and knifing the neighbors because I feel like it. Unprovoked. Can we all agree that one. |
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Post by maddie on Jan 21, 2009 16:20:06 GMT
Although I think you pretty much conceded cold blooded murder.I only sort of conceded murder ..I did add that what actually constitutes someones idea of murder can be very different . For example ...a soldier killing a civilian is considered murder by some people.The state executing a murderer is also considered murder by some people .Someone killing someone they find to be hateful and deserving of it probably doesnt consider it to be a cold blooded murder. So umm which murder is the universally wrong one ? Suicide, but only when done by cracking your skull open with a *bible*  |
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 16:21:21 GMT
But only within certain boundaries and it's more important to stay within your boundaries than have that naked raw desire. For example if one day you weren't content and you did fancy sex with your dad, that is beyond your boundary. Even for naked raw desire it ain't a good idea.
Good grief but you've managed to twist things around to include incest again .Well done .
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 16:23:04 GMT
I don't want to screw my dad not because society says it's wrong but because I don't want to. How does this relate to me having sex with someone else I do want to have sex with again?
This is the problem of your boundaries being set by desire. What if you did desire it or you did desire a little boy? Would it run contrary to other morals you hold? Probably. Other people will hold different morals at different levels, but it is always in their interest that their wider morals supercede their desire.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 16:23:07 GMT
You're still missing the point that I will never, ever fancy my dad because that is outside my Complete Unacceptable Never Gonna Happen boundaries and, therefore, something I will never desire.
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 16:23:24 GMT
Me walking next door and knifing the neighbors because I feel like it. Unprovoked. Can we all agree that one.
Nope .You probably had a terribly repressed childhood ( and not enough extra marital sex ) and therefore weren't accountable for your actions
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 16:23:45 GMT
But only within certain boundaries and it's more important to stay within your boundaries than have that naked raw desire. For example if one day you weren't content and you did fancy sex with your dad, that is beyond your boundary. Even for naked raw desire it ain't a good idea. Good grief but you've managed to twist things around to include incest again .Well done . VHW did. I tried to bring it back to dates. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 21, 2009 16:25:15 GMT
You're still missing the point that I will never, ever fancy my dad because that is outside my Complete Unacceptable Never Gonna Happen boundaries and, therefore, something I will never desire. Can you not see though that your morals are therefore being dictated by your desire? Something that must not be applied to everyone. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 21, 2009 16:27:16 GMT
You're still missing the point that I will never, ever fancy my dad because that is outside my Complete Unacceptable Never Gonna Happen boundaries and, therefore, something I will never desire. Can you not see though that your morals are therefore being dictated by your desire? Something that must not be applied to everyone. I would say the opposite. I do not desire something if I think it is morally wrong. |
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Post by yord on Jan 21, 2009 16:30:50 GMT
wound in the thrash of arms and shells
High above waves of ocean and passion
where women and fish things disintangled
like the ice from a fishmongers slab
leaving only the morning aftertase of disenchantment
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Post by feral on Jan 21, 2009 16:32:38 GMT
Fish things ?
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