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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 25, 2009 11:26:59 GMT
It's a funny word anti-semitism. It denotes in most terms and references that anyone who doesn't support the Jews or Israel is an anti-semite. To me that's rediculous! Just because you don't agree with the christian church, does that mean you're anti-christian? Just because you might not agree with some principles of the Islamic faith ...should you be branded an anti-islamist? It has been widely known that the consequences of saying something against the jewish faith or people immediately cattle brands the critic as a jew hating anti-semite. And then of course the whole terrible account of the Nazi holocaust is brought to the fore? I think this is wholely unfair! I have major criticisms about the state of Israel and very minor ones of Judiaism. I also believe that the Nazi holocaust was a terrible, terrible point in the history of mankind! Does that make me a critic or a holocaust supporting ant-semite? Also, If criticise black people. That might make me a racist? But how come the black community doesn't cattle-brand us for the Congo Holocaust and the killing of over 10 million blacks under King Leopold of Belgium? If I criticise Muslims. How come they don't jump up and down about the holocausts of the bloody crusades or Bosnia. That we should hang our heads in shame? Interesting I think? Sem⋅ite –noun 1. a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. 2. a Jew. 3. a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah. Anti-semite–noun a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews. Origin: 1880–85 dictionary.reference.com/browse/antisemite |
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Post by ricklinc on Jan 25, 2009 11:38:13 GMT
Despite Israel's best efforts I don't hate hebes. It's just another fcuking religion.
They should have stuck with their status as victims of pogroms and a one-off German dictator. Victim status is pure gold these days whereas stomping the neighbours get's you talked about in a bad way with all sorts of drama and Annie Lennox.
Muslims have got the victim thing down pat. They can fly planes into buildings and blow up tube trains and dumb fcukwits will still blame any spare right-winger for not doing enough to make muslims feel comfortable.
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 25, 2009 11:46:34 GMT
'Muslims have got the victim thing down pat. They can fly planes into buildings and blow up tube trains and dumb fcukwits will still blame any spare right-winger for not doing enough to make muslims feel comfortable.'
Indeed ...ironically though many would say that about the Jews and the state of Israel.
Strange world we live in. Where the line of distinction is not firmly drawn but is a terrible shade of grey!
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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 11:47:14 GMT
Muslims have got the victim thing down pat. They can fly planes into buildings and blow up tube trains and dumb fcukwits will still blame any spare right-winger for not doing enough to make muslims feel comfortable. |
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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 11:48:31 GMT
"Muslims have got the victim thing down pat. They can fly planes into buildings and blow up tube trains and dumb fcukwits will still blame any spare right-winger for not doing enough to make muslims feel comfortable."
Hear, hear Rick
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Post by warofwords on Jan 25, 2009 11:54:01 GMT
Of course it's interesting , but most people are stupid and buy into the crap that one can only be anti-semitic against Jews .
People who have learned and tend to use their brains are very well aware that semites are refered to as such because of the language they speak , or if you are into theology those who are descendents of Noahs son Sem , which includes all of those indigenous to that region .......
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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 11:58:49 GMT
'Muslims have got the victim thing down pat. They can fly planes into buildings and blow up tube trains and dumb fcukwits will still blame any spare right-winger for not doing enough to make muslims feel comfortable.' Indeed ...ironically though many would say that about the Jews and the state of Israel. Strange world we live in. Where the line of distinction is not firmly drawn but is a terrible shade of grey! I guess your perception depends on the state of your tunnel vision regarding war crimes and which you find convenient to overlook or excuse. For instance, targetting civilians with Rockets for 8 years, using civilians as shields, or invading another country and kidnapping a young soldier and holding him as a hostage constitute war crimes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime"War crimes includes violations of established protections of the laws of war....." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war "By the same token, combatants that use protected people or property as shields or camouflage are guilty of violations of laws of war and are responsible for damage to those that should be protected." "It is a violation of the laws of war to engage in combat without meeting certain requirements, among them the wearing of a distinctive uniform or other distinctive signs visible at a distance, and the carrying of weapons openly. Impersonating soldiers of the other side by wearing the enemy's uniform is allowed, though fighting in that uniform, like fighting under a white flag, is perfidy which is forbidden, as is the taking of hostages." |
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 25, 2009 11:59:39 GMT
Hey War Strange however, how the definition of Anti-semite refers strictly to Jews? Hmmm?  |
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Post by warofwords on Jan 25, 2009 12:11:05 GMT
Hey War Strange however, how the definition of Anti-semite refers strictly to Jews? Hmmm? It's strange alright , Strange that so many people have fallen for it without questioning the origin of the word .....A bit like 'pushing the jews into the sea ' .........It was a Jew himself who first spoke those words . Funny how propoganda grows legs of it's own |
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 25, 2009 12:13:58 GMT
'I guess your perception depends on the state of your tunnel vision regarding war crimes and which you find convenient to overlook or excuse.'
My sentiments exactly limeylily
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Post by warofwords on Jan 25, 2009 12:14:07 GMT
I have major criticisms about the state of Israel and very minor ones of Judiaism
Can I just say Skyblue that you have hit the nail on the head with your above ...........Judaism is NOT the problem , zionism is ...........
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Post by Scooby Do on Jan 25, 2009 12:15:41 GMT
Hey War Strange however, how the definition of Anti-semite refers strictly to Jews? Hmmm? It's strange alright , Strange that so many people have fallen for it without questioning the origin of the word .....A bit like 'pushing the jews into the sea ' .........It was a Jew himself who first spoke those words . Funny how propoganda grows legs of it's own I don't think people "Fell for it", Language just developes, this is just an example. |
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 25, 2009 12:16:42 GMT
War Certainly is a major issue that needs a major global review!  |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 25, 2009 12:22:00 GMT
They can fly planes into buildings ...
Osama Bin Laden says he was inspired to plan the attacks of 9/11 by his memories of the burning towers of Beirut in Israel's invasion of 1982.
To many people, in fact, the siege of Beirut seemed gratuitous brutality ... The arsenal of weapons, unleashed in a way that has not been seen since the Vietnam War, clearly horrified those who saw the results first hand and through film and news reports from a distance. The use of cluster bombs and white phosphorus shells, a vicious weapon, was widespread.
.... In the last hours of the last air attack on Beirut, Israeli planes carpet-bombed Borj el Brajne (a Palestinian refugee camp). There were no fighting men left, only the damaged homes of Palestinian families, who once again would have to leave and find another place to live. All of West Beirut, finally, was living in wreckage and garbage and loss.
Charles Powers, reporting in the Los Angeles Times, 29 August 1982.
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Post by warofwords on Jan 25, 2009 12:24:52 GMT
They can fly planes into buildings ...Osama Bin Laden says he was inspired to plan the attacks of 9/11 by his memories of the burning towers of Beirut in Israel's invasion of 1982. To many people, in fact, the siege of Beirut seemed gratuitous brutality ... The arsenal of weapons, unleashed in a way that has not been seen since the Vietnam War, clearly horrified those who saw the results first hand and through film and news reports from a distance. The use of cluster bombs and white phosphorus shells, a vicious weapon, was widespread. .... In the last hours of the last air attack on Beirut, Israeli planes carpet-bombed Borj el Brajne (a Palestinian refugee camp). There were no fighting men left, only the damaged homes of Palestinian families, who once again would have to leave and find another place to live. All of West Beirut, finally, was living in wreckage and garbage and loss. Charles Powers, reporting in the Los Angeles Times, 29 August 1982. To bring that to the fore will have you labelled an anti-semite Bertrus  |
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Post by Brittles on Jan 25, 2009 12:39:05 GMT
From Wikipedia
"The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern people originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites."
Therefore if you are ant-semitic you hate both Jew and Arab.
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Post by tarrant on Jan 25, 2009 12:44:19 GMT
Osama Bin Laden says he was inspired to plan the attacks of 9/11 by... And when did he say that then? |
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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 13:03:52 GMT
'I guess your perception depends on the state of your tunnel vision regarding war crimes and which you find convenient to overlook or excuse.'My sentiments exactly limeylily Like the rest of the quote which you're attempting to overlook or excuse? For instance, targetting civilians with Rockets for 8 years, using civilians as shields, or invading another country and kidnapping a young soldier and holding him as a hostage constitute war crimes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
"War crimes includes violations of established protections of the laws of war....."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war
"By the same token, combatants that use protected people or property as shields or camouflage are guilty of violations of laws of war and are responsible for damage to those that should be protected."
"It is a violation of the laws of war to engage in combat without meeting certain requirements, among them the wearing of a distinctive uniform or other distinctive signs visible at a distance, and the carrying of weapons openly. Impersonating soldiers of the other side by wearing the enemy's uniform is allowed, though fighting in that uniform, like fighting under a white flag, is perfidy which is forbidden, as is the taking of hostages." |
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 25, 2009 13:25:28 GMT
Lime & Bertrus
Respectfully, I think you've both gone 'WAY OFF TOPIC'
'Anti-semitism. It denotes in most terms and references that anyone who doesn't support the Jews or Israel is an anti-semite.'
Please read fully my first post before you turn this into an extremist frenzy?
Thank you
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Post by Foxy1 on Jan 25, 2009 13:50:34 GMT
This whole thread is off-topic - it is not News or Current Affairs .... moved to Politics |
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