Are you an anti-semite???

[newyorker]

Semantics.

For all intents and purposes, Anti-Semite = Jew Hater.

[cobblers]

"Can I just say Skyblue that you have hit the nail on the head with your above ...........Judaism is NOT the problem , zionism is ........... "

Explain please. Are you saying Israel should not exist? What about other national and secessionist movements? Are they all intrinsically 'racist'?

[warofwords]

Can I just say well done to Foxy for re-opening this thread .

Zion= Jerusalem......Jerusalem does not belong to Israel ,There's a big difference from being able to worship there and "wanting it", wanting to have control of it, possession of it, and Zionists are the only ones who want that............. Christians, Jews, Muslims just want their holy places respected and to be able to worship freely, none of which they can do whilst it's under Zionist control.

The second problem is that Jews true to their faith do not even recognise the state of Israel , they were cast out as punishment by their God , it is only he not some political movement devised by man who can successfully return the land to the Jews ...........These faithful Jews refuse to cast a vote for any form of govt in Israel , Rabbinical courts are growing , conflicting with Israeli Law .......

Zionism created anti-semitism ,it negates what had been done to the Jews but fails to negate the negation itself, and thereby repeats the past with a different set of masks.

[SKYBLUE]

'Are you saying Israel should not exist?'

Ask the True Jews!

www.nkusa.org/aboutus/mission.cfm

As for me, I'm all for an absolute 50/50 equal land split. A border solely of olive trees not a military one. And if needs be, neutral cities of Bethlehem, Jerusalem, Nazareth etc so that worshippers can worship in PEACE as they once did.

PEACE

[takemebacktolondon]

hey bertrus not only are you aff topic but making statements such as these that are pure fictional -"Osama Bin Laden says he was inspired to plan the attacks of 9/11 by his memories of the burning towers of Beirut in Israel's invasion of 1982."
Not the CIA or the Pentagon or the FBI have any kind of evidence that he was responsible for 9\11. If you have lets have it should make interesting reading .
Could be why they are not searching for him .

[silkbreeze]

Zion= Jerusalem......Jerusalem does not belong to Israel ,There's a big difference from being able to worship there and "wanting it", wanting to have control of it, possession of it, and Zionists are the only ones who want that............. Christians, Jews, Muslims just want their holy places respected and to be able to worship freely, none of which they can do whilst it's under Zionist control

under jordanian rule, until 1967, jews were not allowed to visit their holiest site....the dome of the rock is built over jewish holy sites and jerusalem is not the muslims holiest site; under israeli 'control' have all religions been able to practise their faith at their holy sites....

warofwords, are you a native aboriginal - or did you take over someone's land too

[Trublu]

Jan 25, 2009 11:26:59 GMT SKYBLUE said:

It's a funny word anti-semitism. It denotes in most terms and references that anyone who doesn't support the Jews or Israel is an anti-semite.

To me that's rediculous!

Just because you don't agree with the christian church, does that mean you're anti-christian?

Just because you might not agree with some principles of the Islamic faith ...should you be branded an anti-islamist?

It has been widely known that the consequences of saying something against the jewish faith or people immediately cattle brands the critic as a jew hating anti-semite. And then of course the whole terrible account of the Nazi holocaust is brought to the fore?

I think this is wholely unfair!

I have major criticisms about the state of Israel and very minor ones of Judiaism.
I also believe that the Nazi holocaust was a terrible, terrible point in the history of mankind!

Does that make me a critic or a holocaust supporting ant-semite?

Also, If criticise black people. That might make me a racist? But how come the black community doesn't cattle-brand us for the Congo Holocaust and the killing of over 10 million blacks under King Leopold of Belgium?

If I criticise Muslims. How come they don't jump up and down about the holocausts of the bloody crusades or Bosnia. That we should hang our heads in shame?

Interesting I think?

Sem⋅ite   –noun 1. a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.
2. a Jew.
3. a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah.

Anti-semite–noun a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.
Origin:
1880–85

dictionary.reference.com/browse/antisemite

I find it quite odd that no one has addressed this first post itself, as it contradicts itself and, besides for the definitions, is actually largely incorrect.

An anti-semite is not someone who merely disagrees with Judaism and the Jewish people. As seen in the definition you provided, an anti-semite is someone who discriminates, prejudices, or is hostile towards the Jewish people. Simply disagreeing with Jewish religious doctrine does not qualify under any of those headings. People can disagree on doctrine without hating the people.

[Beachcomber]

Am I an anti-semite ? ........... erm - NO !

Next question ?

[SKYBLUE]

'People can disagree on doctrine without hating the people.'

...and people should be able to!

...and I totally agree.

[cobblers]

Jan 25, 2009 12:11:05 GMT warofwords said:

Jan 25, 2009 11:59:39 GMT SKYBLUE said:

Hey War

Strange however, how the definition of Anti-semite refers strictly to Jews?

Hmmm?

It's strange alright , Strange that so many people have fallen for it without questioning the origin of the word .....A bit like 'pushing the jews into the sea ' .........It was a Jew himself who first spoke those words .

Funny how propoganda grows legs of it's own

Language grows on its own. Anti-semitic came to mean prejudice against Jews. Jews and arabs are very different culturally - to say,all of a sudden, that anti-semitism meant prejudice againts both of them is ridiculous.

[Foxy1]

Jan 30, 2009 20:21:27 GMT Trublu said:

I find it quite odd that no one has addressed this first post itself, as it contradicts itself and, besides for the definitions, is actually largely incorrect.

An anti-semite is not someone who merely disagrees with Judaism and the Jewish people. As seen in the definition you provided, an anti-semite is someone who discriminates, prejudices, or is hostile towards the Jewish people. Simply disagreeing with Jewish religious doctrine does not qualify under any of those headings. People can disagree on doctrine without hating the people.

Hi trublu - welcome to News General ......

I totally agree with your point

[puffin]

Am I an anti -semite? No.

I'm not anti any race or religion.

I do reserve my right to criticise anything I think is wrong, whoever may be doing it, but I'll only criticise the perpetrators, not the entire race or religion they may belong(or say they belong) to.

[SKYBLUE]

Feb 3, 2009 0:55:47 GMT puffin said:

Am I an anti -semite? No.

I'm not anti any race or religion.

I do reserve my right to criticise anything I think is wrong, whoever may be doing it, but I'll only criticise the perpetrators, not the entire race or religion they may belong(or say they belong) to.

Good point Puffin.

My sentiments exactly!

[bertrus2]

statements such as these that are pure fictional takemebacktolondon

I'm surprised you have the nerve to claim that something is fictional, simply on the basis of your own ignorance. Just look up the Wikipedia article on Osama Bin Laden and go to the section September 11, 2001 attacks. Then, you can check the sources. I did.

[Beachcomber]

You actually admit to using Wikipedia as a reference source ?

[KrispyKoala]

Wiki is great for basic info, but to take it's word as 'gospel' so to speak, it's not as reliable as it should, or made out to be.

When it comes to facts (real accurate facts) Wiki has more holes than Swiss cheese, and gaps as in the grand canyon. Probably due to the fact it can be added to and edited by just about anyone.

[avieder]

An anti-semite is not someone who merely disagrees with Judaism and the Jewish people. As seen in the definition you provided, an anti-semite is someone who discriminates, prejudices, or is hostile towards the Jewish people. Simply disagreeing with Jewish religious doctrine does not qualify under any of those headings. People can disagree on doctrine without hating the people.

In my humble opinion Anti Semitism is more of a state of mind than these bold lettered words, true as they are.

A person who condemns (Israel / Jews) rather than criticize can be called that word. More so if he does that baselessly.

The roots of that condemnation, in my opinion, is in an inborn state of mind that is part of mainly the Christian culture.

I think it takes a great strength of character to overcome, completely, that inborn trait.

The Extremist Muslims make this trait part of their strategic weapons in their current war to dominate the Western world.

As to the opening post, I, as an Israeli Jew, welcome any and all criticism, because you can answer or argue or accept criticism. It is the baseless condemnations that I hate and the moment I discover that that is what they are, I uncover them and let the rest of the participants in this forum decide who is right and who is wrong.

[imam]

Is that guy that exposed the Israeli Nuclear bomb arsenal still under house arrest?

[bertrus2]

I don't know where Mordechai Vanunu is now, but he's a man of extraordinary courage.

Israel's nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu requested on Thursday for his name to be removed from a shortlist of candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize because President Shimon Peres had received the award.

Vanunu said in a letter to the Norwegian Nobel Committee that he did not wish "to belong to a list of laureates that also includes [President] Shimon Peres, the man behind Israeli atomic policy."

The nuclear whistleblower was convicted of treason and imprisoned for 18 years after telling a British newspaper in 1986 about his work as a technician at Israel's main atomic reactor, disclosures which cracked the secrecy around the assumed Israeli nuclear arsenal.
Human rights organizations have put Vanunu's name forward for the prestigious prize every year since he was released from jail in 2004
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1068957.html

[imam]

Got out in 2004? Ah maybe he's living it up in Iran now. No reason why one side should have nukes and not the other. There must be balance.