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Post by avieder on Mar 18, 2009 11:49:16 GMT
Vanunu is relevant to the discussion about AntiSemitism As Lord How-how.
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Post by puffin on Mar 19, 2009 21:35:19 GMT
Haw Haw
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Post by imam on Mar 19, 2009 23:39:14 GMT
People will always have other people who don't particularly like them, hate them even, its human nature and is an historical fact.
Ask a Chechen what he thinks about Russians, A Serb about Croats (& vice-versa), a Pakistani about Indians (ditto), Turks about Greeks - you get the drift.
Anti semitism is nothing new - ask the Armenians (who might be classed as a semitic people) - the first victims of mass genocide - the first Holocaust if you like - how they feel about 1.5 million of their ancestors being murdered in the early part of the 20th. century.
To hate anybody is not nice but it is human nature, the way God made us so if anybody is to blame?
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Post by avieder on Mar 21, 2009 20:48:23 GMT
People will always have other people who don't particularly like them, hate them even, its human nature and is an historical fact. Ask a Chechen what he thinks about Russians, A Serb about Croats (& vice-versa), a Pakistani about Indians (ditto), Turks about Greeks - you get the drift. Anti semitism is nothing new - ask the Armenians (who might be classed as a semitic people) - the first victims of mass genocide - the first Holocaust if you like - how they feel about 1.5 million of their ancestors being murdered in the early part of the 20th. century. To hate anybody is not nice but it is human nature, the way God made us so if anybody is to blame? No, Antisemitism is not new nor particular. On the other hand it is the only type of hate that has a special name. Nobody, except for their immediate enemies at that time, actually has anything against Armenians or Chechenians to cause a pogrom against them. You don't see Turks protesting against Greeks in England, for example. You don't see Indians spreading lies about Pakistanis (and the Media believing and perpetuating those lies) True there is hate to all the "others" but we seem to generate a special concentration (no pun!) of perpetual very extreme hate. Why are lies about Israel so widespread? |
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Post by imam on Mar 22, 2009 1:41:24 GMT
Could it be biblical?
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Post by avieder on Mar 22, 2009 12:31:54 GMT
You probably mean "An act of G-d" YES, of course it is. Everything that happens is. |
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Post by avieder on Mar 26, 2009 14:58:58 GMT
You probably mean "An act of G-d" YES, of course it is. Everything that happens is. How does that answer my: "Why are lies about Israel so widespread? " Is it done by heavenly order? |
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Post by vania on Apr 13, 2009 17:59:13 GMT
No
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Post by avieder on Apr 13, 2009 20:11:17 GMT
Mar 22, 2009, 2:31pm, avieder wrote: Mar 22, 2009, 3:41am, Lt. Colonel Brittles wrote: Could it be biblical? You probably mean "An act of G-d" YES, of course it is. Everything that happens is. How does that answer my: "Why are lies about Israel so widespread? " Is it done by heavenly order? Link to Post - Back to Top Logged vania member is online « Reply #47 Today at 7:59pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No So, if they are doing it on their own accord - they will be punished....  |
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Post by vania on Apr 18, 2009 19:02:50 GMT
Sorry Avi, my 'no' was in relation to the question in post one.
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Post by avieder on Apr 18, 2009 21:15:45 GMT
Sorry Avi, my 'no' was in relation to the question in post one. Did anybody accuse you of being? (read my #36) |
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Post by jonnyalpha on May 9, 2009 11:43:30 GMT
Is God anti-semetic?
Did he make clear what he chose them for?
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Post by avieder on May 9, 2009 19:30:30 GMT
Is God anti-semetic? Did he make clear what he chose them for? A fantastic question. I do not know how many answers there are, and probably all true. One of them could be derived from the story about Abram who left his birthplace to spread the word in the world that there is One G-d. Anyway, this "choice" does not carry any benefits unless a whole set of obligations is fulfilled, and by ALL. That seems practically impossible. But, we are not exempt from trying. |
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Post by takemebacktolondon on Oct 1, 2009 11:03:29 GMT
Suppose we shouldnt have noticed when Israeli Terrorists ,one being Ernest Begin who led the operation (Stern Gang) blew up the George Hotel in Egypt and not mentioned their attacks on British soldiers who now defend their rights in wars in the Middle East .
We shouldnt have noticed either their involvement in Shattila and Sabra not to mention their war on Lebanese babies and Gaza.
Pardon me if I wouldnt want to make an Israeli feel comfotable.
The sptitual myth of the holocaust that led Jews to populate Palestine is long dead .
After all their allies who created the holocaust are now their allies .
Try as hard as you like to tell me they are not.
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Post by takemebacktolondon on Oct 1, 2009 11:10:16 GMT
Gee Lily .You still repeating ad infinitum #17 the same crap you posted on news general .
The Americans have long gone Feral (no uniforms ) and did so during their own Indian wars Vietnam Korea Iraq and Afghanistan . Do you think that the CIA OPERATING IN SO MANY COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES BY WEARING A UNIFORM .
ITS NOT WAR ? YOU WANNA BET .
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Post by wazwo on Apr 10, 2011 21:12:54 GMT
It's a funny word anti-semitism. It denotes in most terms and references that anyone who doesn't support the Jews or Israel is an anti-semite. To me that's rediculous! Just because you don't agree with the christian church, does that mean you're anti-christian? Just because you might not agree with some principles of the Islamic faith ...should you be branded an anti-islamist? It has been widely known that the consequences of saying something against the jewish faith or people immediately cattle brands the critic as a jew hating anti-semite. And then of course the whole terrible account of the Nazi holocaust is brought to the fore? I think this is wholely unfair! I have major criticisms about the state of Israel and very minor ones of Judiaism. I also believe that the Nazi holocaust was a terrible, terrible point in the history of mankind! Does that make me a critic or a holocaust supporting ant-semite? Also, If criticise black people. That might make me a racist? But how come the black community doesn't cattle-brand us for the Congo Holocaust and the killing of over 10 million blacks under King Leopold of Belgium? If I criticise Muslims. How come they don't jump up and down about the holocausts of the bloody crusades or Bosnia. That we should hang our heads in shame? Interesting I think? Sem⋅ite –noun 1. a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. 2. a Jew. 3. a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah. Anti-semite–noun a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews. Origin: 1880–85 dictionary.reference.com/browse/antisemite''It's a funny word anti-semitism. It denotes in most terms and references that anyone who doesn't support the Jews or Israel is an anti-semite.'' Not really you see many nowadays that claim to only be criticising Israel or any defensive action it takes use the above to be Anti-Semetic in the same way they claim that its not Jews but only Zionists they disagree with. In many cases it is just a cover for their Anti-Semitism as they usually go on to present falshood after falsehood or to repeat the Hammas/PA propoganda line and to excuse every and any atrocities commited By The ''Palestinians'' whom they see as some sort of mild Avon Lady incapable of any wrongdoing. You see propoganda of the facist kind comming from PA/hammas/The UN and the ''international community'' (whoever the they are) is very potent and I am afraid very useful to such groups to advance their political and national intrests in this case Oil. The Jews are in their own country on their own land (at least whats left of it) and at present are being sold down the river by their so-called allies for a few barrels of Arab oil. Do the ''Palestinians'' really want to build a nation on the basis of a lie on other peoples land. That is the real question. |
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Post by wazwo on Apr 23, 2011 23:42:52 GMT
Hey War Strange however, how the definition of Anti-semite refers strictly to Jews? Hmmm?  I think leftists know exactly what is meant when we call terrorist propogandists Anti-Semites but if it makes it clearer Anti-Jew,Anti-Israel,But of course many Leftists hide their rabid Anti-Jewish rhetoric by pretending its only ''Zionists'' they want to visit another holocaust on dont they. For all The anti-Jewish Racists out their you knw who you are at least try and be an honest Anti Semite wont you. |
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Post by wazwo on Apr 23, 2011 23:50:15 GMT
I have major criticisms about the state of Israel and very minor ones of JudiaismCan I just say Skyblue that you have hit the nail on the head with your above ...........Judaism is NOT the problem , zionism is ........... No fundamentalist Islamic terrorism is the problem not just for Israel but for the world. As somone once said Golda Meyer if remember correctly Its not a given that The Jews will be the next victims. |
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Post by wazwo on Apr 23, 2011 23:54:20 GMT
'Muslims have got the victim thing down pat. They can fly planes into buildings and blow up tube trains and dumb fcukwits will still blame any spare right-winger for not doing enough to make muslims feel comfortable.' Indeed ...ironically though many would say that about the Jews and the state of Israel. Strange world we live in. Where the line of distinction is not firmly drawn but is a terrible shade of grey! Or in Israel case a shade of Red the Red of the innocent victims of palestinian terrorism but of course attacks like the one on the Fogel family dont really happen do they? I mean the BBC would cover such a story in depth,The ''international Community'' and The UN would condemn such barbaric action Right? |
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Post by wazwo on May 8, 2011 1:18:03 GMT
Can I just say well done to Foxy for re-opening this thread . Zion= Jerusalem......Jerusalem does not belong to Israel ,There's a big difference from being able to worship there and "wanting it", wanting to have control of it, possession of it, and Zionists are the only ones who want that............. Christians, Jews, Muslims just want their holy places respected and to be able to worship freely, none of which they can do whilst it's under Zionist control. The second problem is that Jews true to their faith do not even recognise the state of Israel , they were cast out as punishment by their God , it is only he not some political movement devised by man who can successfully return the land to the Jews ...........These faithful Jews refuse to cast a vote for any form of govt in Israel , Rabbinical courts are growing , conflicting with Israeli Law ....... Zionism created anti-semitism ,it negates what had been done to the Jews but fails to negate the negation itself, and thereby repeats the past with a different set of masks. Jerusalem has been Israels Capital for 3,500 years or so as for christitians there are not many left in jerusalem due to Muslim aggression. I am a Christian but I understand first and formost Jerusalem is The Holy place of The Jews as for Muslims Jerusalem has never been a ''Holy Place'' for Muslims having a dream about Jerusalem does not mean it belongs to you or your group as Mohammed did. I dreamt I was in Disneyland once it does not mean it is a holy place for me now does it? |
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