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Post by lala on Feb 2, 2009 10:35:47 GMT
Hamas are crushing dissent in Gaza by using terrorism against the Palestinians: There are also fears that Hamas will tighten repressive measures against dissidents, after a wave of shootings and arrests. A Fatah activist, Eyad Obeid, says he was in a shop near his home last week when a 4x4 vehicle pulled up. Four masked men carrying AK-47s seized him, took him away and subjected him to an ordeal which ended with him being shot in his left leg below the knee. Fatah says there were dozens of similar incidents during and after the war. And this is beside the killings – admitted by Hamas – of those suspected of informing Israel of Hamas targets.
Mr Obeid, who was not accused of informing, says he was repeatedly questioned about his Fatah connections and his previous job in Ramallah-run Preventative Security before being pulled out of the car and shot.
And if the Israeli bombing all around them was not enough to worry about, the most horrifying moment of the war for the Najar family started at around 7.30pm on 4 January, when 10 masked, armed Palestinians in black tunics descended on the alley where the menfolk were gathered outside their house in northern Gaza City round a pot of tea over a wood fire, necessitated by the lack of electricity or cooking gas.
The men all obeyed the gunmen's orders to lie on the ground except Hisham, 51, who asked the men what they wanted. Women and children came out from the house to see what was happening. One of the men slapped Hisham, others rose to intervene, and the gunmen opened fire. Hisham was killed, and 11 others were wounded, including his 70-year-old mother and her 12-year-old granddaughter. "For me a rocket from the Israelis would be better than this," said Mohammed Najar, 41, the dead man's brother. "The children are still terrified at what happened. They wet themselves at night."
The family admits to supporting Fatah but says there was no reason to attack them; they are careful not to accuse Hamas but Mohammed complains that the faction, as the ruling authority in Gaza, has done nothing to investigate the crime.
(www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-counts-the-cost-ndash-and-assigns-blame-1522547.html) This is similar to what the Nazis did in the 1930s, once they had been shoed into power, inspite of their waning popularity and lack of majority support. Hamas has surived, and it isn't likely that the IDF will manage to destroy the organisation. Hamas now is better placed than it was before the IDF's assault. Hamas's immediate goal is to make themselves the most powerful Palestinian faction, and Isreal's recent (and current) actions are helping them towards that end. |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 11:07:49 GMT
This is similar to what the Nazis did in the 1930s, once they had been shoed into power, inspite of their waning popularity and lack of majority support. Yep. These people get attacked by the terrorists, then by the Israelis then by the terrorists again. There will never be any solution to these problems until someone has the sense to support the victims. That is the lesson of Ireland. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 2, 2009 11:50:17 GMT
inspite of their waning popularity and lack of majority support. Hamas has surived In the 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections, the Change and Reform Party (the Hamas political wing) got 74 seats, giving it an outright majority and the right to replace Fatah (45 seats) as the government of the Palestinian territories (East Jerusalem, West Bank,Gaza). What, in your recollection (pretty hazy, I should imagine) prevented the peaceful transition to power? Incidentally, if the penalty for the electorate 'getting it wrong' was the murder of your family by a foreign invasion force, you might be a bit confused about your voting intentions next time around. |
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Post by reverend on Feb 2, 2009 12:32:39 GMT
the penalty for getting it wrong was the government they elected dragging them into a conflict they dont want and a casualty rate they cant afford!
if they elect hamas again, then they have nothing to complain about!
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 12:47:02 GMT
Do they have a choice?
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Post by avieder on Feb 2, 2009 14:24:10 GMT
They will if more of you will come to realize that by supporting Hamas & Company is the worst possible option for the Gazans. The Gazans know it. The Western nations know it. Most of the Arab nations know it. That leaves only the three of you..... |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 14:56:02 GMT
There has never been anyone on this site supporting Hamas or any other terrorist group.
This point has been made before. You do keep trying don't you?
Disagreeing with Israel is not supporting Hamas.
Disagreeing with Osrael is not anti-Semetic.
Disagreeing with Israel is not anti-US.
Disagreeing with Israel is not hating Jews or hating anyone.
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Post by newyorker on Feb 2, 2009 14:57:31 GMT
There has never been anyone on this site supporeting Hamas or any other terrorist group. This point has been made before. You do keep trying don't you? Disagreeing with Israel is not supporting Hamas. Disagreeing with Osrael is not anti-Semetic. Disagreeing with Israel is not anti-US. Disagreeing with Israel is not hating Jews or hating anyone. Support for terrorists is support for terrorists. If you are guilty of it, no amount of rationalizing will change that fact. Take responsiblity for your actions. |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 15:00:05 GMT
No-one has supported terrorist here.
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Post by newyorker on Feb 2, 2009 15:01:01 GMT
No-one has supported terrorist here. Every time you assert the positions of Hamas, you support mass murdering terrorists, some of the worst. Again, take responsibilty for your actions. |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 15:01:55 GMT
No-one has supported Terrorism here.
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Post by newyorker on Feb 2, 2009 15:05:04 GMT
No-one has supported Terrorism here. Noooo, spouting the Hamas postion every time they released one isn't supporting terrorists, of course not, you just keep telling yourself that. De-nile, not just a river in Egypt. |
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Post by avieder on Feb 2, 2009 15:51:45 GMT
#6:
This point has been made before. You do keep trying don't you?
Disagreeing with Israel is not supporting Hamas.
Disagreeing with Osrael is not anti-Semetic.
Disagreeing with Israel is not anti-US.
Disagreeing with Israel is not hating Jews or hating anyone.
No? then what is it?
Nice word you found "disagreeing" - That is NOT what you are doing. You are condemning blindly every action we take.
Not even trying to rationalize the hypocrisy and lies that are spread by Hamas.
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 2, 2009 16:01:14 GMT
the penalty for getting it wrong was the government they elected dragging them into a conflict they dont want and a casualty rate they cant afford!
The government they elected was not allowed to govern. The democratically elected government was prevented from taking office by economic strangulation and outright violence from Fatah, supported by Israel and America. The government of the Occupied Territories is the government the Palestinians didn't elect, but the US/Israel chose, the Fatah Presidency of Mahmoud Abbas.
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Post by cobblers on Feb 2, 2009 16:02:08 GMT
I have yet to hear you criticise Hamas Bertrus.
Are they any points on which you differ?
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Post by cobblers on Feb 2, 2009 16:04:04 GMT
Supporting Hamas is de facto supporting terrorism Tarrant, even if people are reluctant to spell it out.
Any points on which you differ with Hamas Bertrus? Any criticisms or objections to them?
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 16:09:47 GMT
No bertrus. Do your duty.
Formally criticise Hamas so our self appointed inquisitors of post WW2 political correctness can provisionally clear you of being anti-semetic. (Subject to their revisions of course).
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 2, 2009 16:10:22 GMT
You are condemning blindly every action we take. In the light of law, ethics, the facts, the entire world condemns: |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 16:12:31 GMT
Supporting de facto???
That must be the funniest piece of arrogance you've come out with yet Cobblers.
And for a boy of your arrogance, that takes some doing.
Bet you can't top it though!!!!
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Post by Charles Martel on Feb 2, 2009 17:26:49 GMT
Incidentally, if the penalty for the electorate 'getting it wrong' was the murder of your family by a foreign invasion force, you might be a bit confused about your voting intentions next time around. This obviously works, as the Germans never voted the Nazis to power again since the war, having "got it (terribly) wrong", and had their families murdered (10 million dead Germans in WW2, millions more forcibly expelled from eastern pre-war Germany) by "invading" Soviet, British, American and Canadian troops. |
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