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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 11, 2016 0:44:03 GMT
You're asking for a police officer in every bedroom to make sure no offence has taken place. Perhaps there should be a lawyer there as well.
When there are consensual relations between adults, any regrets or recriminations should be discussed between them, or with mediation. It's treating women like idiots for a government official to step in. If they were mentally incompetent, decisions might have to be made on their behalf but not otherwise.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 11, 2016 0:46:46 GMT
You're asking for a police officer in every bedroom to make sure no offence has taken place. Perhaps there should be a lawyer there as well. When there are consensual relations between adults, any regrets or recriminations should be discussed between them, or with mediation. It's treating women like idiots for a government official to step in. If they were mentally incompetent, decisions might have to be made on their behalf but not otherwise. No I'm not. I am asking police officers to investigate when facts come to light that indicate an offence may have occurred. It's actually written in the bit you quoted. Investigating if an offence has occurred is not treating people like idiots. It's applying the law. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 11, 2016 1:28:04 GMT
But why wait until women, who've invited dodgy males into their beds, turn up at a police station for advice about their love lives? Think of all the women who are unaware that they have been victims of Swedish rape.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 11, 2016 1:31:55 GMT
But why wait until women, who've invited dodgy males into their beds, turn up at a police station for advice about their love lives? Think of all the women who are unaware that they have been victims of Swedish rape. You're determined to make yourself look silly right? Well done. Police cannot investigate any crimes they aren't aware have been committed. Once something is brought to their attention then they are duty bound to investigate it (at least it appears that way in Sweden.) |
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Post by voice on Feb 11, 2016 2:15:45 GMT
well done Bert in illustrating why rape cases are so hard to prosecute and why so many women are reluctant to come forward as men like you are very quick to dismiss any rape claims unless the women is bashed on the head and dragged down an allie.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 11, 2016 2:48:54 GMT
If they won't come forward, what do you suggest? CCTV in every bedroom? The cops can watch it at their leisure so they can haul in men, whom women have invited into their beds, without making them sign the terms and conditions. The women in the Swedish case came forward without even thinking they were sex-crime victims, apparently. How much more unabashed do you want Swedish women to be about coming forward?
Anyway, the prosecutor wasn't very good at prosecuting since she let three out of four of the allegations run out of time under the statute of limitations.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 11, 2016 3:16:11 GMT
If they won't come forward, what do you suggest? CCTV in every bedroom? The cops can watch it at their leisure so they can haul in men, whom women have invited into their beds, without making them sign the terms and conditions. The women in the Swedish case came forward without even thinking they were sex-crime victims, apparently. How much more unabashed do you want Swedish women to be about coming forward? Anyway, the prosecutor wasn't very good at prosecuting since she let three out of four of the allegations run out of time under the statute of limitations. I suggest that when information is presented to the police that leads them to believe a crime has been committed they do exactly what they are doing now in Sweden. It's not hard. Stop making a fool of yourself - you're acting like a spambot. |
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Post by lala on Feb 11, 2016 6:29:40 GMT
If they won't come forward, what do you suggest? CCTV in every bedroom? The cops can watch it at their leisure so they can haul in men, whom women have invited into their beds, without making them sign the terms and conditions. Are you, you know, mad? |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 11, 2016 7:36:33 GMT
If they won't come forward, what do you suggest? CCTV in every bedroom? The cops can watch it at their leisure so they can haul in men, whom women have invited into their beds, without making them sign the terms and conditions. The women in the Swedish case came forward without even thinking they were sex-crime victims, apparently. How much more unabashed do you want Swedish women to be about coming forward? Anyway, the prosecutor wasn't very good at prosecuting since she let three out of four of the allegations run out of time under the statute of limitations. You are either very very stupid or a very clever baboon. You wouldn't mind having a peak at your arse and seeing if it is blue at all, would you? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 8:43:24 GMT
Ah, right. So it's just that Sweden wants him to answer to rape charges even though the victims have said he didn't. I read that many posts back but thought it a bit absurd. Which is why I imagined there'd be an alternative reason to get him in the dock. What a waste of money and time. Frankly, if it is as absurd as made out, in all likely hood he could have trotted over there and got the first plane back. However if your prepared to go to the lengths JA has to avoid it including locking yourself in a cupboard for years it would suggest there is rather more to it. Isn't that what I'd surmised? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 8:45:13 GMT
However if your prepared to go to the lengths JA has to avoid it including locking yourself in a cupboard for years it would suggest there is rather more to it. That 'rather more to it' is the suspicion of dirty tricks by American intelligence agencies, the failure of the Swedish government to give a guarantee that Assange won't be taken to America and the Grand Jury in Alexandria, Virginia which is said to be preparing to prosecute Assange over Wikileaks. I didn't say that. As someone said, get your quoting in order. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 8:52:17 GMT
I understand all the verbage in most of the posts above but, for me anyway, if the accusations of rape are coming from a third party after the alleged victims have denied rape, it all seems very peculiar to me; and that there is an alternative agenda from those making the accusations. This would explain why Assange is reluctant to go to Sweden to address these accusations. It's not peculiar at all. A crime can have been committed even if the victim does not view it as a crime. Not sure what people are struggling with here. So if I understand you correctly, if a woman says she hasn't been raped and doesn't want to press charges, she may well have been? I'm out of here. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 11, 2016 8:52:32 GMT
Frankly, if it is as absurd as made out, in all likely hood he could have trotted over there and got the first plane back. However if your prepared to go to the lengths JA has to avoid it including locking yourself in a cupboard for years it would suggest there is rather more to it. Isn't that what I'd surmised? Yes, I was just agreeing with you I think. |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 11, 2016 9:15:24 GMT
It's not peculiar at all. A crime can have been committed even if the victim does not view it as a crime. Not sure what people are struggling with here. So if I understand you correctly, if a woman says she hasn't been raped and doesn't want to press charges, she may well have been? I'm out of here. Yes - see knew you would get there in the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 10:04:53 GMT
System's pretty screwed up then.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 11, 2016 10:07:00 GMT
Nothing, is the answer, then. Not about the complaints themselves, that is.
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Post by lala on Feb 11, 2016 10:09:02 GMT
I think it is not uncommon for police to pursue serious allegations even if the alleged victim says there is nothing to be investigated. To do with danger of the victim being coerced.
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Post by lala on Feb 11, 2016 10:10:00 GMT
Nothing, is the answer, then. Not about the complaints themselves, that is. They can hardly storm the Ecuadorian embassy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 10:34:33 GMT
Who's making the allegations?
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 11, 2016 11:12:45 GMT
The British government considered violating the diplomatic immunity of the Ecuadorian embassy, but they considered the consequences for the British diplomatic service and thought better of it.
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