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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 10:28:06 GMT
Why? Assange has not disputed the account of events. He just reckons it wasn't rape and everyone should leave him alone. in respect of Willen he does dispute he "forced" unprotected sex on her. |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 12, 2016 10:33:24 GMT
Jesus Christ you keep going on about the women not claiming rape. It's Irrelevant!! The prosecution believes based on the events as reported an offence occurred and so are delving into that. Why are you struggling to comprehend that? And if it will be as difficult to secure a conviction as you claim well then, he should just pop over to Sweden and clear things up. Easy. The prosecution have nothing to base an opinion on except Assange's testimony They will base it on the events. He doesn't appear to dispute what happened. He disputes that it's classed as rape. But as I said if they deem insufficient evidence then he'll be fine. So he should just get it over and done with. |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 10:35:42 GMT
You are entitled to your flawed opinion. I have no idea who Rhoosh V is. I believe the show is by a reputable Aussie programme maker, perhaps Van could elucidate. On the only remaining allegation the "victim" will not sign the testimony taken by Ardin's police friend and with Ardin, herself making other separate allegations, present. Almost deliberate incompetence. No dictaphones or video recording in a modern Swedish police station, get real. Multiple attempts to change the testimony on the computer system. The EAW is for prosecution not investigation and Nye with held from the UK court that the testimony was not signed, a fact that would mean it could not form the basis of a prosecution here in the UK. A witness would not sign the only testimony/evidence she had been asked to sign and was given opportunity to do so. The testimony remains unsigned. Perhaps the allegations Ardin made could have been prosecutable in Sweden and the UK but these are now expired and in any event would not have led to a custodial sentence on their own (consensual sex leading to a broken condom) and are there for outwith the parameters of the EAW. The video also explains why Assange has every reason to fear extradition to the US with the US refusing to confirm they wouldn't seek extradition and Sweden refusing to confirm they wouldn't oblige. The Grand Jury trial exists, is active, they know the trial number and that it's under the 1917 Espionage Act. They know the original arrest warrant and Assange's subsequent testimony were separately leaked to the press. Likely Assange didn't know Ardin's expulsion from Cuba to Miami would have brought her to the attention of the CIA if not to being useful to them but he probably knew Borstrom's partner facilitated the rendition of two arabs to Egypt for the US. The abuse of the EAW indicative of how much they need Assange in custody. Manning & Snowden indicative of how much. Sweden doesn't extradite for espionage so that's yet more bollocks piled on the dung heap like Pelion on Ossa Sweden doesn't do rendition either but that's exactly what Wile n's lawyers firm facilitatef |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 10:40:55 GMT
The prosecution have nothing to base an opinion on except Assange's testimony They will base it on the events. He doesn't appear to dispute what happened. He disputes that it's classed as rape. But as I said if they deem insufficient evidence then he'll be fine. So he should just get it over and done with. Assange absolutely denies forcing unprotected sex! Signed a statement & everything. Only person who was in the room who has. If Sweden would guarantee he won't be extradited he would go back! |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 12, 2016 10:40:53 GMT
Sweden doesn't extradite for espionage so that's yet more bollocks piled on the dung heap like Pelion on Ossa Sweden doesn't do rendition either but that's exactly what Wile n's lawyers firm facilitatef This is where absurdity steps in. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 12, 2016 10:50:18 GMT
They will base it on the events. He doesn't appear to dispute what happened. He disputes that it's classed as rape. But as I said if they deem insufficient evidence then he'll be fine. So he should just get it over and done with. Assange absolutely denies forcing unprotected sex! Signed a statement & everything. Only person who was in the room who has. If Sweden would guarantee he won't be extradited he would go back! It's like the f*cking mole in caddyshack. They can't guarantee it because the guarantee wouldn't be worth a pile of beans. International law would take precedence if the US came up with a viable extradition warrant. Assange knows that. But to extradite him from Sweden would need the approval of the Swedish Courts and, because he was extradited from the UK it would also have to be signed off from the UK. So why the extraditon to Sweden to put in two barriers. Why not simply apply to the UK, especially when Sweden don't extradite for espionage. He'd be far safer in Sweden. And if your going the rendition route how does a guarantee they won't extradite help? It's farcical nonsense. |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 12, 2016 11:26:44 GMT
They will base it on the events. He doesn't appear to dispute what happened. He disputes that it's classed as rape. But as I said if they deem insufficient evidence then he'll be fine. So he should just get it over and done with. Assange absolutely denies forcing unprotected sex! Signed a statement & everything. Only person who was in the room who has. If Sweden would guarantee he won't be extradited he would go back! Why on earth would they make that guarantee. They can't. And if there is good cause for extradition why should they refuse it? And Assange doesn't deny what happened. He denies it was rape. |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 12:31:55 GMT
Sweden doesn't do rendition either but that's exactly what Wile n's lawyers firm facilitatef This is where absurdity steps in. Says the man with nothing to risk. Assange fears for his life & liberty. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 12, 2016 12:42:34 GMT
This is where absurdity steps in. Says the man with nothing to risk. Assange fears for his life & liberty. Should have been a bit more careful with his c*ck then. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 12, 2016 13:31:59 GMT
initiating unprotected sex You saw it all then? Were you peeping through the keyhole or was your face pressed to the window? And you were wearing night-vision goggles at the time? |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 12, 2016 13:59:41 GMT
Somebody's needs to call Bert's nurse. He's out again.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 12, 2016 14:09:59 GMT
You're keeping an eye on things, then? Do you have a good view of what goes on in Swedish bedrooms as well? Or do you just imagine it?
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 18:34:24 GMT
Why? Assange has not disputed the account of events. He just reckons it wasn't rape and everyone should leave him alone. Not true! nnn.se/nordic/assange/protocol.htmThe original interviews conducted by the police provide crucial evidence which seriously undermines the Swedish prosecutor's case against Julian Assange. Among other things, they reveal that: • The sexual encounters between Julian Assange and the two women involved were entirely consensual. • At no time did either woman tell Assange to stop or otherwise express disapproval of the sexual acts in which they participated. • Both women told friends that their purpose in visiting the police was not to accuse Assange of any crime, but to seek assistance in compelling him to be tested for HIV. • Upon hearing that a warrant had been issued for the arrest of Assange, the woman who was being interviewed by the police became so distraught that was unable to continue and departed without endorsing the written account. She later told a friend that she felt ”run over by the police and others”. • The other woman involved has given contradictory accounts of her relationship with Assange. • The police officer who conducted the initial interview was ordered by a superior to alter the written record and was taken off the case. These and numerous other pertinent facts emerged from the interviews, the protocols (written accounts) of which were leaked to the Internet in early 2011; their authenticity has not been questioned. The documents, both in the original Swedish and translated into English, are available in PDF format via the following links: English Translations Swedish Originals |
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Post by Muz on Feb 12, 2016 18:36:13 GMT
If a woman wakes a man up with a blow job, is it sexual assault as he couldn't consent? It depends on the circumstances. Does she have reason to believe she has his consent or not. What if, while she was asleep, she backed up onto him. Would he have grounds to believe consent then? |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 19:35:51 GMT
Assange absolutely denies forcing unprotected sex! Signed a statement & everything. Only person who was in the room who has. If Sweden would guarantee he won't be extradited he would go back! It's like the f*cking mole in caddyshack. They can't guarantee it because the guarantee wouldn't be worth a pile of beans. International law would take precedence if the US came up with a viable extradition warrant. Assange knows that. But to extradite him from Sweden would need the approval of the Swedish Courts and, because he was extradited from the UK it would also have to be signed off from the UK. So why the extraditon to Sweden to put in two barriers. Why not simply apply to the UK, especially when Sweden don't extradite for espionage. He'd be far safer in Sweden. And if your going the rendition route how does a guarantee they won't extradite help? It's farcical nonsense. It really doesn't matter, it matters that he stays out of custody as confirmed by human rights experts on detention mandated by the UNGA. |
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Post by voice on Feb 12, 2016 19:58:17 GMT
Jesus Christ you keep going on about the women not claiming rape. It's Irrelevant!! The prosecution believes based on the events as reported an offence occurred and so are delving into that. Why are you struggling to comprehend that? And if it will be as difficult to secure a conviction as you claim well then, he should just pop over to Sweden and clear things up. Easy. The prosecution have nothing to base an opinion on except Assange's testimony well he should have nothing to worry about then, pop over to Sweeden, clear the whole thing up and stop grandstanding for the comfort of his cupboard. Simples |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 19:59:07 GMT
Assange absolutely denies forcing unprotected sex! Signed a statement & everything. Only person who was in the room who has. If Sweden would guarantee he won't be extradited he would go back! Why on earth would they make that guarantee. They can't. And if there is good cause for extradition why should they refuse it? And Assange doesn't deny what happened. He denies it was rape. To get him back in Sweden for questioning! In any event they are now trying to interview him in the embassy. |
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Post by voice on Feb 12, 2016 19:59:47 GMT
Why? Assange has not disputed the account of events. He just reckons it wasn't rape and everyone should leave him alone. in respect of Willen he does dispute he "forced" unprotected sex on her. time he went and cleared the whole thing up, he should have nothing to worry about if its all so trivial, he's the one prolonging this, still he gets his face in the media and I'm sure he loves the hero worship from the slow thinkers. |
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Post by voice on Feb 12, 2016 20:04:25 GMT
It's like the f*cking mole in caddyshack. They can't guarantee it because the guarantee wouldn't be worth a pile of beans. International law would take precedence if the US came up with a viable extradition warrant. Assange knows that. But to extradite him from Sweden would need the approval of the Swedish Courts and, because he was extradited from the UK it would also have to be signed off from the UK. So why the extraditon to Sweden to put in two barriers. Why not simply apply to the UK, especially when Sweden don't extradite for espionage. He'd be far safer in Sweden. And if your going the rendition route how does a guarantee they won't extradite help? It's farcical nonsense. It really doesn't matter, it matters that he stays out of custody as confirmed by human rights experts on detention mandated by the UNGA. and remind me again who these shining lights in the world of Human Rights who sit on the UNGA human rights panel are again, oh yes Saudi Arabia, we can sure there example is one to follw. |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 12, 2016 20:10:10 GMT
The prosecution have nothing to base an opinion on except Assange's testimony well he should have nothing to worry about then, pop over to Sweeden, clear the whole thing up and stop grandstanding for the comfort of his cupboard. Simples No need, they're finally going to interview him in the Ecuador embassy. |
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