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Post by voice on Feb 27, 2011 4:47:38 GMT
two things Assange is not guilty just cos he's a slimy cnut, but nor is he a saint just cos he embarrassed a few govs OH does not like.
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Post by lala on Feb 27, 2011 6:44:19 GMT
Tell the author of the thread the charges relate to sexual molestation because he's hung drawn & quartered the "rapey Aussie". Irony not your strong point, is it? Or do you think Swedish justice really is brutal? |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 27, 2011 8:14:12 GMT
OMG, etc. Someone took the thread title seriously?
I'm still amazed that people still think either of
"Assange must be a rapist because he undermined international security services"
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"people who stick one to the man should never be questioned about crimes"
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 27, 2011 9:59:39 GMT
There is no supporting evidence whatsoever of what these women claim. At best this will turn out to be their individual words against his. As is the case in a lot of rape cases. f**k me, when did you become a champion of the world's knuckle dragging misogynist abusive meathead scum? You mean men? It is difficult to procure a rape conviction all over the world because usually there are no witnesses but you go down a very slippery slope (no pun intended) if you intend adjusting the standard of proof required. These women agreed to sex, suffered no physical harm. Woman A continued to sleep with Assange for a week after the alleged offence. Woman B cannot remember how many times they had sex during the night but can remember sex whilst she was asleep but not whether he ejaculated and joked about it. Both texted friends either before or after the events to the effect what exciting lives they lead. Neither were sufficiently offended to go independently to the police after the event and initially neither intended to press rape charges and the original prosecutor found no evidence of rape and was sufficiently unconcerned at the more minor claims of molestation as to not mention them. Only when a very pro US ex politician and now lawyer (that neither women can afford) got involved were the charges resurrected and Assange's request for residency in Sweden (the reason for his visit, they have very strong legislation protecting whistleblowers) rejected. My concerns are not a defence of neanderthal men but that the prosecutions are political in purpose. |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 27, 2011 10:01:19 GMT
two things Assange is not guilty just cos he's a slimy cnut, but nor is he a saint just cos he embarrassed a few govs OH does not like. My concerns are neither of the above but that the charges are politically inspired. |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 27, 2011 10:06:15 GMT
Tell the author of the thread the charges relate to sexual molestation because he's hung drawn & quartered the "rapey Aussie". Irony not your strong point, is it? Or do you think Swedish justice really is brutal? You have been arguing from the beginning and on every thread about the issue on the basis of his guilt. Irony my arse. |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 27, 2011 10:09:42 GMT
OMG, etc. Someone took the thread title seriously? I'm still amazed that people still think either of "Assange must be a rapist because he undermined international security services" or "people who stick one to the man should never be questioned about crimes" He was questioned about his crimes once, no charged ensued and he was allowed to leave Sweeden unhindered. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 27, 2011 17:03:59 GMT
He was questioned about his crimes once, no charged ensued and he was allowed to leave Sweeden unhindered.
Once agin for your benefit. He was allowed to leave Sweden on the specific undertaking he returned for a Police interview on the 14th Oct. He then decided he wouldn't attend. Here you go, from the Guardian, I assume you'll accept that. www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden
The Guardian understands that the recent Swedish decision to apply for an international arrest warrant followed a decision by Assange to leave Sweden in late September and not return for a scheduled meeting when he was due to be interviewed by the prosecutor. Assange's supporters have denied this, but Assange himself told friends in London that he was supposed to return to Stockholm for a police interview during the week beginning 11 October, and that he had decided to stay away. Prosecution documents seen by the Guardian record that he was due to be interviewed on 14 October.Your just rehashing the chaff thrown about by the defence team to try and obscure what is a pretty straightforward extradition.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 27, 2011 18:07:34 GMT
"Aug. 18: Assange is alleged on this day to have "deliberately molested" Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity."
'Sexual integrity'? Wtf? Out of interest in the morning sex case. Does this mean in Sweden you have to expressly ask permission before each sex act in one encounter? Or is it the lack of condom which created the issue?
And this woman must be the world's heaviest sleeper or must have been on something if someone managed to have sex with her while she was fast asleep.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 27, 2011 18:10:56 GMT
COnfusion number 2:
Miss A has sex with Assange on the 14th, which she later considered rape but was happy enough to throw him a party the day after the alleged 'coercion'?
He should go back to Sweden to answer this case but some of the details are bizarre and I am a little bit suspicious of Ms As story, it seems like the fact he decided to f**k somebody else almost immediately after f**k**g her may have something to do with it...
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 27, 2011 19:05:52 GMT
There's a good deal that's rum about their testimonies, but its not really the issue for our judicial system. The Swede's want to prosecute and have issued an EAW.
The issue is whether we comply with it or whether there's a reason why we shouldn't.
The more you look, the more there isn't really.
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Post by lala on Feb 27, 2011 20:23:23 GMT
You have been arguing from the beginning and on every thread about the issue on the basis of his guilt. Irony my arse. No, you twit, I've been arguing a charge has been made and he has to answer it. You're arguing he doesn't have to because you think "the charges are politically inspired." Funny to see you still calling them charges, then occasionally claiming they aren't charges. |
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Post by lala on Feb 27, 2011 20:27:20 GMT
"Aug. 18: Assange is alleged on this day to have "deliberately molested" Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity." 'Sexual integrity'? Wtf? Out of interest in the morning sex case. Does this mean in Sweden you have to expressly ask permission before each sex act in one encounter? Or is it the lack of condom which created the issue? I think 'sexual integrity' is some strange Swedish concept which extends their concept of rape to a lot more than just penetration, to include stuff we'd consider sexual assault and gross indecency. Which is where a lot of confusion is coming from, I think. He didn't 'manage to have sex with her,' in that he didn't hump her sleeping body for a couple of minutes, he penetrated her, started to frot, and then she woke up. |
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 28, 2011 8:44:58 GMT
"Aug. 18: Assange is alleged on this day to have "deliberately molested" Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity." 'Sexual integrity'? Wtf? Out of interest in the morning sex case. Does this mean in Sweden you have to expressly ask permission before each sex act in one encounter? Or is it the lack of condom which created the issue? I think 'sexual integrity' is some strange Swedish concept which extends their concept of rape to a lot more than just penetration, to include stuff we'd consider sexual assault and gross indecency. Which is where a lot of confusion is coming from, I think. He didn't 'manage to have sex with her,' in that he didn't hump her sleeping body for a couple of minutes, he penetrated her, started to frot, and then she woke up. .[/ Reassure me again about that irony thing |
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Post by lala on Feb 28, 2011 8:50:44 GMT
Why bother? You're so berserkly convinced this is all some Heinous Plot that it's even more of a waste than arguing climate change with Kog, or Islam with Noam. At least then, I occasionally learn something. I learn nothing from your predictable and persistent, "It's all AmeriKKKa's fault" type wibbling.
And if I think you're being stupidly anti-American for the sake of it, you must be being really, utterly stupidly anti-American for the sake of it.
(Awaits equally predictable "I'm not anti-American, I never said anything about ... blah blah blah ...")
Go away, little man.
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 28, 2011 8:56:41 GMT
Why bother? You're so berserkly convinced this is all some Heinous Plot that it's even more of a waste than arguing climate change with Kog, or Islam with Noam. At least then, I occasionally learn something. I learn nothing from your predictable and persistent, "It's all Ameri KKKa's fault" type wibbling. And if I think you're being stupidly anti-American for the sake of it, you must be being really, utterly stupidly anti-American for the sake of it. (Awaits equally predictable "I'm not anti-American, I never said anything about ... blah blah blah ...") Go away, little man. It's more of an anti Uncle Sam thing but you don't half spit the dummy when caught out. |
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Post by mids on Feb 28, 2011 8:57:39 GMT
"And this woman must be the world's heaviest sleeper or must have been on something if someone managed to have sex with her while she was fast asleep."
Like all lefties, Assange has an extremely small penis so it's very unlikely she'd have woken up...
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2011 10:35:57 GMT
Like all lefties, Assange has an extremely small penis so it's very unlikely she'd have woken up..
Just out of interest do you think it's because being a leftie shrivels your c*ck, or having a small c*ck makes you a leftie?
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Post by Muz on Feb 28, 2011 10:37:30 GMT
That's a chicken and the egg question. Nobody knows for sure.
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Post by mids on Feb 28, 2011 10:43:17 GMT
Hmmmm, good point. Maybe a bit of both. Being a leftie means you have to adopt the most extreme sort of CiF style nazifeminism. that's bound to shrivel you a bit!
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