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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 12:06:07 GMT
Solidarity with what VHW? That's a political word. Since when has humanitarian aid been political, unless we are talking about the Palestinian situation specifically. Martyr Foundation Mids? Who are they?
and who's a Martyr these days? Sounda bit old fashioned...
VHW - do you remember the Al Dura thing?
Would it like, totally blow your mind to find out you were being manipulated by the media coming out of Palestine VHW?
I still can't believe you don;t see anything fishy in either of those two videos. In the first one, do you really think they are trying to rescuscitate the boy? What do you say to the patch of blood on the mattress but no stain coming through the sheet wrapping the body?
And you think these two 'herr doktors' are impartial humanitarians, in spite of what Gilbert is on record as saying?
I credited you with a more incisive mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 12:07:08 GMT
Yeh but so what? What's the point of this discussion? Are people being killed by the IDF or not? Probably kids too. Let's not obfuscate the issue here, which I'm sure is the poster's aim.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 12:08:09 GMT
Now that at least does sound sus. probably because it came from Mids and not me. I can live with that. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 14, 2009 12:10:36 GMT
Would it like, totally blow your mind to find out you were being manipulated by the media coming out of Palestine VHW? As I've said repeatedly, I trust nothing from anyone in this situation. Everybody is trying to manipulate public opinion, including you. You're just miffed that I can see it. Nevermind, I'm sure Sweet Soul believes every word you write. |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 12:13:28 GMT
Yes OOTLG people are being killed, but to what purpose to both sides? Israel thinks it is incapacitating Hamas, but in actual fact they have played directly into its hands. What do you think those 'pea shooter' rocket attacks that continued and continued were for?
To goad israel into retaliating, then inevitably hitting some civilians (although probably nowhere near as many as are claimed) whose bloodied bodies can then be held up to the cameras to make Israel even more of an international pariah. Bit by bit they are marginalising and dehumanising Israel and Jews.
Watch the slavering mobs demonstrating across the world, criticisng not israel but Jews and claiming they secretly control the world's governments and media (Classic Protocols of the Elders of Zion). Tapping into latent anti-semitism and feeding it with a fresh blood libel (Jews drink the blood of children) of their own design.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 12:33:16 GMT
Latent anti-semitism? New one on me.
How far's this jewish hatred fantasy thing got to go? How do I know you're not a nazi trying to get everyone to hate jews by flooding the boards with posts that are nauseatingly pro-jewish or anti-muslim?
We need a level of sanity to prevail here, and I don't think you're the man for the job.
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 14, 2009 12:35:38 GMT
From cobbrers, amateur, incompetent and more than slightly deranged interpreter of of Islamic scripture to cobblers, full-blown armchair mass murderer and consipiracy theorist.
In hindsight, a predictable transition.
Doesn't it seem a little implausible that Palestinians are literally killing themselves and not simply the the victims of the crime of resisting colonisation by Israel?
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 12:40:31 GMT
Tried to find out about this Martyr Foundation, but as with Norwac which is its affiliate a paucity of information on the internet. One link on google was this www.navideshahed.com/en/index.php?Page=definition&UID=185820 which is also not very expansive, this page on the site had this Head of “Martyr Foundation and Isargaran Affairs” Honored Exemplary “Basiji” People of This Foundation TEHRAN, (SCIB) - Exemplary “Basiji” people of “Martyr Foundation and Isargaran Affairs” were honored by the Head of this foundation and Deputy of the President in “Conference of Basijian of Martyr Foundation”. "According to the reporter of Navideshahed; this conference was held in the hall of “Sayed-ol Shohada Cultural Center” on Tuesday morning. And exemplary women and men “Basiji” people of “Martyr Foundation and Isargaran Affairs” were honored by Dr. Hossein Dehqan, head of this foundation and a number of officials." www.navideshahed.com/en/index.php?Page=definition&UID=185820So what is basiji? Another quick google "The Basij are subordinate to, and receive their orders from, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BasijVery tinfoil hat! |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 12:41:27 GMT
From cobbrers, amateur, incompetent and more than slightly deranged interpreter of of Islamic scripture to cobblers, full-blown armchair mass murderer and consipiracy theorist. In hindsight, a predictable transition. Doesn't it seem a little implausible that Palestinians are literally killing themselves and not simply the the victims of the crime of resisting colonisation by Israel? What is a shahid Bertrus? |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 12:44:14 GMT
Most people know that Hamas are funded and assisted by Iran, despite their belonging to different sects within Islam. This is one of the reasons why Egypt is so opposed to Hamas - it fears growing Iranian influence in the region.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 12:45:52 GMT
And Bertrus, the UN of which you are so fond... Were you aware that the largest voting bloc is the OIC.
What can you tell us about the OIC from your vast knowledge of world affairs, specifically the UN?
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 14, 2009 15:35:19 GMT
What's the relevance of wild-eyed ejaculations about the UN got to do with the voting at the "9th special session of the Human Rights Council: "The Grave Violations of Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory including the recent aggression in the occupied Gaza Strip" - Friday, 9 January 2009" ?
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Post by justmyopinion on Jan 14, 2009 16:32:00 GMT
Extract from Cobblers
"Either that, or they are using a dead body to reenact a death.
There are a number of points
The CPR looks unconvincing, as does the doctor's acting 'nothing more we can do'"
If that bearded doctor believes that that is genuine CPR then he needs to go back to medical school. Look closely, he is slightly jumping up and down creating the impression of CPR, his hands are barely moving, he is resuscitating through blankets, he is not breaking compressions to inflate the lungs, without which there isn't much point in the heart pumping. Fake
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 16:40:34 GMT
Ok cheers for that. Cumulatively it all looked pretty staged to me, they didn't look grief stricken or like they were trying to save a life.
Also the burying of the body in a 'blood'-stained sheet is not on, to the best of my knowledge, in Islam. You have to wash the body.
Cleanliness is very important, which is why suicide bombers shave off all their body hair before going on a mission.
The UN Council on human rights has a sizeable contingent of Islamic countries this session. the UN is generally weighted heavily in favour of OIC countries - they consitute the largest voting bloc in the UN.
So stop trying to present it as impartial Bertrus.
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 14, 2009 16:49:58 GMT
"So stop trying to present it as impartial"
The impartiality of the resolution is due to the fact that it is based on law and the ethical principles that underpin it. The only member of the Human Rights Council to vote against was Canada. It is factually incorrect to state that the UN is 'weighted heavily' in favour of Islamic countries and, even if it were true, it would be untrue that Islamic countries never support the principles of the United Nations. Islamic countries that take a stand against crimes committed by Israel are following the principles that every country in the world has agreed to adhere to, including Israel.
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 14, 2009 16:58:16 GMT
"I despise hamas and all it stands for."
Anyone taking this extremist line has to explain why the Change and Reform party (the political wng of Hamas) got an absolute majority of seats in the Occupied Palestinian Territories in the January 2006 elections.
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Post by justmyopinion on Jan 14, 2009 16:58:59 GMT
Some of that footage looks as convincing as the alien autopsy. Children playing on an apartment block roof at any time, let alone while an attack is underway, sounds ridiculous to me unless you wanted to use the potential damage.
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Post by newyorker on Jan 14, 2009 17:02:11 GMT
"I despise hamas and all it stands for." Anyone taking this extremist line has to explain why the Change and Reform party (the political wng of Hamas) got an absolute majority of seats in the Occupied Palestinian Territories in the January 2006 elections. Bertrus has lost the plot. |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 17:06:13 GMT
"Islamic countries that take a stand against crimes committed by Israel are following the principles that every country in the world has agreed to adhere to, including Israel."
Why has there never been a resolution in respect of Sudan or other Islamic countries who routinely fliout human rights principles? Why did the OIC decline to sign the european Convention on Human rights and form an alternative Cairo Declaration on Human Rights under Islamic sharia?
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Post by cobblers on Jan 14, 2009 17:06:54 GMT
"Children playing on an apartment block roof at any time, let alone while an attack is underway, sounds ridiculous to me unless you wanted to use the potential damage."
My thoughts too.
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