VikingHumpingWitch
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 11:41:47 GMT
Er no, don't even try to drag the rest of us into this. This is you and your neighbours and not a damn thing to do with me.
I think the scores on the doors so far are:
Winners - Hamas, definitely winning the propaganda war (Israel handing it over on a plate by not letting journos in), probably getting a popularity boost from their voting public as well. Israeli hardliners, how coincidental and lucky that it's election year in Israel.
Losers - Gazans, Israelis living within range of Hamas rockets.
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lala
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Post by lala on Jan 15, 2009 11:42:09 GMT
I think yo'll find it is a mistake in the long run. Smash Hamas down just now, and they'll rebuild, because they'll have an army of new recruits , drawn from the Palestinians who got smashed alongside them.
It's weird that you can grasp this and still support the war, claiming it is going to weaken Hamas and reduce their ability to attack Israel. I don't think it will.
I'm disappointed you seem to be lining me up as the anti-Semites. We've previosuly managed to be quite civilised, even about this issue.
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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 11:53:42 GMT
I think yo'll find it is a mistake in the long run. Smash Hamas down just now, and they'll rebuild, because they'll have an army of new recruits , drawn from the Palestinians who got smashed alongside them. It's weird that you can grasp this and still support the war, claiming it is going to weaken Hamas and reduce their ability to attack Israel. I don't think it will. I'm disappointed you seem to be lining me up as the anti-Semites. We've previosuly managed to be quite civilised, even about this issue. Obviously you missed the point, lala. I think you belong to the Western world and in this war your are against Radical Islam/ You may not like us (or US...) but every terrorist that is annihilated in Gaza is one less potential for another 7/7 like attack anywhere in the world. As I said above the objecive is not to "Smash Hamas' only to smash its ability to hurt us. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 11:56:03 GMT
every terrorist that is annihilated in Gaza is one less potential for another 7/7 like attack anywhere in the world Good grief. Yeah, bombing Muslim children really seems to promote peace and love towards Westerners among Muslims around the world. Top strategy. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 15, 2009 12:03:13 GMT
I think yo'll find it is a mistake in the long run. Smash Hamas down just now, and they'll rebuild, because they'll have an army of new recruits , drawn from the Palestinians who got smashed alongside them. This is spot on. The problem with Israel's current tactic is that it is doing an excellent job of recruiting the next generation of Hamas soldiers. These kids don't care why their families are bombed, they just want to know who to focus their retaliation on. |
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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 13:02:45 GMT
every terrorist that is annihilated in Gaza is one less potential for another 7/7 like attack anywhere in the world Good grief. Yeah, bombing Muslim children really seems to promote peace and love towards Westerners among Muslims around the world. Top strategy. You really are something Witch. You twist the facts to suit your personal hate of anything and everything we do. I pointed out time and time again that Israel is doing everything that is humanly possible to avoid hurting innocent people. Even to the point of endangering the lives of our own soldiers. Yet you persist with those silly accusations. No word of condemnation to the people who place chidren at rocket launching sites in Mosques and schools. Placing the Hamas heaqurters under the children's ward in Shiefa Hospital That in your opinion is viable tactics against the Jews - Yeh, make them kill children so it will justify your Middle Ages claim. 8 years 8 YEARS of constant barrage of rockets on our cities is legitimate in your eyes. Living for 8 years in a way that at all time you must be within 15 seconds of a shelter. Did you ever try to make love with such a threat? THE ONLY REASON HAMAS BOMBED US WAS TO FORCE US TO FIGHT THEM SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE those pictures of dead children. NO OTHER REASON. Do you understand that those children died SO THAT YOU WILL CONDEMN ISRAEL? YOU (and the likes of you) are the reason they died. |
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Post by Amazed on Jan 15, 2009 13:06:50 GMT
Nope. They died because Israel doesn't care. As long as they can kill one Hamas member they don't care if five children die. After all, they are only Muslim brats.
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VikingHumpingWitch
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 13:14:08 GMT
Oh FFS Avi. I have repeatedly said Hamas are a bunch of murdering b'stards with very probably more contempt for Palestinian lives than Israelis have. I have nothing against Israel and am one of the more fence-sitting posters on this site. Your problem, which incidentally is exactly the mindset that means you will never, ever have peace in the region, is that anyone who fails to praise Israel unreservedly is immediately condemned as an anti-Israeli Jew-hater. It is so incredibly boring and intellectually stunted that it makes me laugh.
I also did not say Israel is targeting children, nor did I condemn Israel. You've just made that leap all by your little self. However, children are dying, and that does not play well with global Muslim opinion. I happen to find it pretty retarded that Muslims care about dead children only when they're killed by non-Muslims, but I had to take issue with your insane claim that the killing in Gaza is likely to reduce global terrorism. Ha ha fcuking ha.
I don't actually know why I bothered replying to your post, since it was clearly written without reading or understanding a word of mine.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 15, 2009 13:54:38 GMT
This is the part that made me think you might be feeling ambivalent about the wisdom of the invasion: That is a win-win situations: Dead Arabs = condemnation of Israel No retaliation = continued rocket bombing of Israel and a facad of victory to Hamas. Obviously, you grasp that Hamas are getting precisely what they want. The whole war was instigated by them to engineer precisely the sort of response it is getting, and to radicalise the Palestinians and alienate them from Fatah. So it is mission accomplished for Hmas, assuming they survive in some form or another - and I doubt the real leaders of the movement are in any real danger. (Even if Hamas were obliterated, it would still have accomplished its goals, though another organisation would reap the benefits.) I suppose the military option might be viscerally satisfying - but do you think it will be effective? I suppose the Israelis reckoned without the ignorance and stupidity of the West. Having issued warnings over a period of week after Hamas broke the ceasefire and started launching rockets, they proboably (wrongly)assumed that the West would say 'Hamas started it, they were warned, what could Israel do - they havbe an obligation to their citizens to prevent them being attacked' They reckoned without the irrationality and latent anti-semitism of the West. |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 15, 2009 13:56:01 GMT
What you're saying really in effect is that there is nothing that can be done about Hamas's tactics. Good message to send to the rest of the would-be jihadis isn't it?
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Post by puffin on Jan 15, 2009 14:57:00 GMT
I know who's side I'm on.
I'm on the side of all thos e blameless peaple who are being killed, injured and made homeless so that one side can " radicalise palestinians" (lala) and so that the other side can '' cut them down to size"(avi)
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Post by cobblers on Jan 15, 2009 15:37:27 GMT
If Israel are supposedly bombing mosques and schools why are they being told to hide in them? Or is that a stupid question?
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VikingHumpingWitch
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 15:46:13 GMT
If Israel are supposedly bombing mosques and schools why are they being told to hide in them? Or is that a stupid question? You can flip that around - if Israel are not bombing schools and mosques why is Avi shocked that people are hiding in them? It still doesn't answer my question - where do you go in Gaza if schools, hospitals, mosques, UN aid agencies and residential buildings have all been bombed? In what way is Israel trying its best to minimise civilian casualties if it's bombing all of these? |
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Post by reverend on Jan 15, 2009 15:53:04 GMT
it's going to be a bit of a squeeze to get in the mosques and schools with all those hamas "fighters" hiding in them!
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Post by waldo on Jan 15, 2009 20:38:26 GMT
Hey Avi,
because if they stand on top of their houses with their children and wives showing that they are unarmed, this is what happens to them:
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Re #360
I heard, on the radio, how we killed Nizar Rayyan.
About a year ago Israel discovered that a certain residential building in Gaza was used as a headquater of Hamas, and as a workshop for rockets and as a rocket launching base against Shderot. So, Israel scattered leaflets around that building telling the people to evacuate it because of an immenant Israeli attack.
When the fighter jets came the pilots saw that the rooftop was full of women and children. So, they made an about turn and that building was not bombed.
This time, again leaflets were scattered around Rayyan's house with similar warnings.
Again instead of evacuating the area, Rayyan and his family went and stood on the roof. Only this time the pilots recognised him (modern optical technology, you know) and directed the missile right on its target......
One less terrorist leader like those of your 7/7 in London. He and his family.
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and then you have the Israeli Grandfathers rejoicing over dead children.
at least when they go to large public places there is a possibility of there being survivors to the ultimate brutality.
It is seckening the world to hear of the Israeli propaganda machine bleating, we do not want to hurt the children.
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Post by waldo on Jan 15, 2009 20:39:37 GMT
seckening
sorry
sickening
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Post by lala on Jan 15, 2009 20:47:54 GMT
You may not like us (or US...) but every terrorist that is annihilated in Gaza is one less potential for another 7/7 like attack anywhere in the world. I don't think Israel's actions in Gaza will do that, however. It will just vreate more rage and more terrorists, who will want revenge against Israel (for doing it) and the west (for letting it happen). So I don't think every dead terrorist is "one less potential for another 7/7 like attack," it is creating the potential for many more. I think that amounts to the same thing. Why would Hamas stop? They're getting what they want - shocking pictures of dead and injured Palestinains, and a new generation of recruits. If they aren't annihilated, they'll simply start again the next time they find it convenient. ANd even if you do annihilate them, you'll just find another, equally murderous, organisation replaces it. When Hamas launches its rockets and detonates its child suicide bombers, it doesn't bring Israel down. It creates rage and the desire for revenge. The same also applies in Gaza - people are being hurt, their loved ones are being killed, they will seek revenge for it. And they won't blame Hamas, however much Hamas are responsible. |
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Post by reverend on Jan 15, 2009 20:51:02 GMT
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Post by waldo on Jan 15, 2009 20:51:35 GMT
avi - You really are something Witch.
me - please cut out this witch hunt!
Avi - You twist the facts to suit your personal hate of anything and everything we do.
me - there is no need to twist the facts, what you are doing is hateful, and it is fact
Avi - I pointed out time and time again that Israel is doing everything that is humanly possible to avoid hurting innocent people.
me - so if they stand on top of their houses, in clear view in a position of helplessness and submission, after identifying that there are enough children there, does the F16 pilot close his eyes after firing his rockets.
No he did not see any dead children (they were only Palestinian)
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Post by lala on Jan 15, 2009 20:57:49 GMT
THE ONLY REASON HAMAS BOMBED US WAS TO FORCE US TO FIGHT THEM SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE those pictures of dead children. NO OTHER REASON. So why do exactly what Hamas wanted you to do? Seems rather foolish: "They want us to attack them, because it will make good propoganda for them!" "Right, let's get stuck in!" Which is why I can't fathom your support for the latest action. Surely you can see how counter-productive it will be? |
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