Gazans are told to hide in Mosqus and schools

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Jan 16, 2009 12:27:57 GMT auldhippy said:

Type "human shields" into the seach facility at the BTSelem.org site & you will find 100 incidents of Israel using human shields.

Don't really get this. Using human shields is despicable whoever does it, just because The Other Side does it is no excuse for anyone else getting in on the act.

[auldhippy]

For 8 years the Hamas bombed Israel.

For 40 years Israel has occupied Palestine

Israel broke the ceassefire not Hamas! I refer you to the CNN confirmation linked to earlier.

For six months the rockets were down to single figure per month and always Islamic Jihad, with whom Hamas are at civil war, claimed responsibility. Did Clinton have control of McVeigh or Blair control over the IRA (real or otherwise)?

I am not your friend. It was Israel who broke the ceasefire, indeed never lived up to their parrt of the ceasefire, not once did they stop their extra judicial assassinations and not once did they liift the seige og gaza.

[auldhippy]

Don't really get this. Using human shields is despicable whoever does it, just because The Other Side does it is no excuse for anyone else getting in on the act.

Hamas have no choice about from where they respond to Israel's ceasefire breeches, Israel has a choice about using Palestinians as shields.

[lawrence]

Hamas is in Civil war with Islamic Jihad ? When did you pull that little factoid out of your ass !?

[avieder]

#61: "For 40 years Israel has occupied Palestine"

What exactly are you about? Is Israel occuping Gsza?

[auldhippy]

No they are not occupying Gaza they have it under seige, no one gets in no one gets out, food, electriciity, water, medicine, nothing gets in except for their captors whim, just like the Warsaw Ghetto.

[reverend]

nothing at all like the warsaw ghetto!

[newyorker]

Absolutely nothing like the Warsaw getto. Not at all.

[avieder]

Jan 17, 2009 22:48:40 GMT auldhippy said:

No they are not occupying Gaza they have it under seige, no one gets in no one gets out, food, electriciity, water, medicine, nothing gets in except for their captors whim, just like the Warsaw Ghetto.

I guess you get your information from the BBC.

So, THIS IS THE TRUTH:

1) The border with Egypt, a fellow Arab, is not Israeli responsibility - thus no 'siege' is possible overland and sea.

2) The tunnels under Philadelphi can transport provisions AS WELL AS ROCKETS.

3) Humanitarian aid keeps flowing before and even during the battles. The fact that Hamas intercept those trucks is well known to ALL the reporters.

4) 80% of their electric power is from Israel. 15% from Egypt and 5% own production. Neither Israel nor Egypt ever stopped the supply even while fighting was going on.

5) Passage into Israel or Egypt is checked like the entrance to any country. Given the terrorist nature of Hamas, it is a bit more strict

[auldhippy]

As always your truth is not the truth

1) Egypt's dictator is bought off with a $3b annual bribe

2) Gaza needs 350 truckloads of aid per day, I imagine those tunnels somewhat crowded if you feel their food comes from there.

3) Israel has attaccked the UN shelters a half dozen times and completely destroyed the main distobution site destroying all the food & medicine. Al Quds hospital has been attacked three times.

4) Gaza has electricity for only a few hours a day, 80% of next to nothing is still 80% of next to nothing.

5) You repeat point 2) The seige of Gaza is complete.

You lie!

[avieder]

Jan 18, 2009 13:56:21 GMT auldhippy said:

As always your truth is not the truth

1) Egypt's dictator is bought off with a $3b annual bribe

2) Gaza needs 350 truckloads of aid per day, I imagine those tunnels somewhat crowded if you feel their food comes from there.

3) Israel has attaccked the UN shelters a half dozen times and completely destroyed the main distobution site destroying all the food & medicine. Al Quds hospital has been attacked three times.

4) Gaza has electricity for only a few hours a day, 80% of next to nothing is still 80% of next to nothing.

5) You repeat point 2) The seige of Gaza is complete.

You lie!

You mistake "Truth" for "facts". The facts I bring are true. The facts you cite are either untrue, or outright lies or selected bits and pieces of some true facts to paint an untrue picture - a common propaganda method.

1) What has the nature of Egypt's government to do with the alleged siege of Gaza. Israel has lawfully and rightly closed its border to free passage to and from Gaza. Siege is a total closure. Prior to the 1967 Six Day War that was the condition of Gaza since 1948. - TRUE FACT !!!!

2) Gaza is not a zoo and the Gazan people do not need to be "fed". (unless you know something I don't...). They have their own economy. True, trade with Israel has somewhat lessened since Hamas was elected to govern Gaza. The UN is maintaining the 1948 "Refugee camps" and supply them with basic provisions. Those kept coming despite everything else. (about a year ago, those trucks were delayed at the border for a few days that caused an international uproar - do you remember?) The figure you cited is a load of b**t. A LIE.

3) Israel bombed the places from which it was attacked. those Schools, Mosques and UNWRA places were being used as launching sites for rockets and other military uses. If the UN people allow that to happen without protesting or if they did protest and the UN did nothing to stop that - They become perfectly legitimate targets.

4) There is no shortage of electricity in Gaza. I work for Israel Electric Co. The power is flowing normally. unless someone turned off the light switch and lit candles for the STUPID Media consumers. The reporters all know this of course but they are part of the charade.

I never lie.

[cobblers]

Because they have a responsibility to stop the rockets falling on southern Israel.